>> donath: he's a genius in one hand. >> wertheim: genius?h: he's a political strategist. >> wertheim: you take serious his power? >> donath: well, actually, you can feel it in your skin in everyday life in hungary, you feel that-his power. there is a higher power, a big brother, watching you everywhere, listening what you are saying. >> wertheim: orban's creeping control is presented as reasonable public policy. on the face of it, the family protection plan does make it easier for families to have kids. but it doesn't take much to shade into something darker. just listen to the speaker of hungary's parliament at a conference last september:" in europe those who propagate that having children is a private matter, are serving the culture of death," he says. countries with declining population, are becoming houses of coffins and not cradles. that sounds very dystopian, very dramatic. >> donath: well, there is-- you're right. and it's absolutely horrifying. and me, as a young woman who just got married and wants to start a family, i'm sorry, but

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