then russia illegally annexed crimea and sent in troops to donetsk and luhansk.e for this kind of decision. going back to our prospective nato membership, we are very pragmatic and realistic and i do understand that we cannot get it in the short term. but in the long term, in case if we modernise our military, if we pass reforms that are needed for the ukrainian military, and we are on track with these, with the support of brits, canadians and americans, if we approximate ukrainian military up to nato standards it's in your interests to have ukraine as a nato member. we are defending your borders and your security. i come back to the phrase wishful thinking. vladimir putin in effect has a veto on ukraine's membership of nato, does he not? vladimir putin in terms of nato and ukrainian sovereignty. so you believe that putin is stronger than the leaders of the free world? i believe in realism and pragmatism. you say in ukraine... you're going to lose in this case. ..putin has thousands of russian troops on ukrainian soil. right. that's what you say. you say that rus