and if the answer's yes, better start damn acting like it. >> donie o'sullivan joins us now.hat was from his cyber symposium last summer. >> did any of the conspiracy theorists show up to this convention? >> one man. some of his research was used by sidney powell back in 2020. the people at that convention, they are people who really want to poke holes in systems. so if even they are saying -- even those top experts are saying that the vulnerabilities that mike lindell and other people say exist, they're not there, and the main point they were trying to hit at this weekend was, yes, there can be vulnerabilities in votinging machines. no system is perfect. but there's a big system from there being a vulnerability and a gap to changing votes and overturning an election. >> donie o'sullivan, appreciate it. >>> coming up, an update on first lady jill biden, who has tested positive for covid. i have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. now, there's skyrizi. ♪things are getting clearer♪ ♪i feel free to bare my skin♪ ♪yeah, that's all me♪ ♪nothing and me go hand in hand♪ ♪nothing on

i don't need a russian. >>> and donie o'sullivan joins us now. donie, what other political groups or movements have been targeted here? >> what we've known through the years from what the doj and other u.s. agencies has dug up is russia likes to play both sides in the u.s. we've seen them playing the far right and the far left. and since you saw them targeting a black liberation group in st. louis and in florida. also according to the indictment, they say the russians were promoting a california succession movement, so a group that is promoted for california to leave the united states. it's all very much typical of the russian playbook. but as you can see, there has real impact, real effect in the united states. >> and to be clear, you know, homeland security, fbi, everyone has warned that the ugs ares still do want to get involved in the systems here in the united states. donie o'sullivan thank you so much for your reporting. terrific analysis. >>> all right. a lot going on, especially with the breaking news out of mar-a-lago, the fbi conducting

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. >> cnn's donie o'sullivan has been reporting on this violent rhetoric. donie, you tracked this stuff closely. you read some of it as quite disturbing. go into the details and help me with the context. is this louder, more threatening prior to january 6th or about the same? >> it's very, very hard to measure these things quantitatively. but what we can say is right after news of that fbi search on mar-a-lago broke on monday, we saw an immediate spike in violent rhetoric. if we can bring back up that website, the southern district of florida court's website. u up until sometime tuesday evening, there was a profile of a judge on that site with contact details for the judge. the judge's office clerks, et cetera. that had to be taken down from that website because there were so many people on these platforms calling for violence against that judge. of course, it doesn't just relate to the judge. i want to show you some of the threatening messages and the rhetoric played out online. somebody just posted lock and load in relation to the mar-a-lago search. kill a

donie o'sullivan has this report. >> -- once the head is cut down, the second head pops up. >> we'vey of which center around these, voting machines, that they were in some way hacked and used to steal vote and steal the election. we are at defcon in las vegas which some people call hacker summer camp. hackers are doing their very best this weekend to break into these voting machines. >> isn't what you're doing here like tearing these machines apart and showing they can be vulnerable? is that not going to play into more of the fears, more of the conspiracy theories about the election? >> i think a lot of these fierce and these conspiracies really thrive in darkness. here we have like a clear box model where we open things up, you're able to look inside and able to get your hands on these voting machines themselves. it's not that there are vulnerabilities within these means that need to be addressed. just because there are vulnerabilities doesn't mean they were manipulated or exploited in the way that certain parties are saying that they are. >> reporter: you've spent the weekend teari

donie o'sullivan joins us now. what are you learning about threats made against this judge? >> reporter: anderson, yeah, we are seeing openly on social media calling for violence against this judge, calling for him to be killed. and so much so that i want to show you the web page of the court down there in the southern district of florida. up until last night, yesterday evening, that page that you see there, which is blank -- it says access denied now. up until last night, there was details about that judge there, about his staff, about the address of the court, contact details. sometime over the past 24 hours or so, it looks like the court has actually taken those details offline. why? because there are so many people on social media talking about violence against this judge and looking for where they can find him. >> how prevalent are these kind of threats online? >> reporter: you know, we've been looking through sites both kind of on the fringe that a lot of trump users use. also, of course, trump's own platform, truth social, and we're seeing a lot of these kind of posts

as we learn in a moment from cnn's donie o'sullivan, some have gone online with violent rhetoric aboutock and load have been some of the phrases used. first, 360's randi kaye joins us from outside mar-a-lago tonight. a lot of people have been gathering outside mar-a-lago in support of the former president. what have you been hearing from folks there? >> reporter: a much larger group earlier today, some of them still hanging around tonight. almost everyone we spoke with is very angry about the fact that the fbi came here to mar-a-lago just yesterday. they believe -- they didn't say what the basis for this was, but they believe that donald trump has been cooperating with the department of justice, which is investigating the handling of presidential records and presidential documents. they don't think that it was a good idea for the fbi to come to mar-a-lago, especially when the former president wasn't even home. here's what else some of his supporters told me. >> they don't want the truth. that's the bottom line. they don't want the truth. >> you don't think that's why they came here to

cnn's donie o'sullivan is with us now on this. tell us about these threats. >> brianna, i want to show you some of what was posted on a very, very popular pro-trump forum right after that news broke on monday night. they read lock and load, inl just going to say t garland needs to be assassinated, simple as that. another posting kill all feds. now, i think a lot of people would be asking why are we speaking about anonymous threats that are being made online? well, one of the reasons is that very website, that very forum was used in the run up to january 6th to talk about plans for that day, to talk about even specific plans like attacking police officers. i want to show you another comment that was made, it was actually made under the lock and load comment and it's somebody talking about civil war. they say are we not in a cold civil war at this point? that really plays into this whole idea a lot of rhetoric about civil war. the person who actually posted that according to a nonprofit that does a lot of work in this space research

our very own cnn correspondent donie o'sullivan sat down with him to talk about this. here's the story. >> reporter: ready? >> yes. >> reporter: why are you coming forward? >> all my life i've been about finding places where i can go, and make a difference. >> reporter: this is peiter zatko, until january of this year he was head of security at twitter, but now he's a whistle-blower, and he says twitter security problems are so grave, they are a risk to national security and democracy. >> twitter is a critical resource to the entire world. i think it is an extremely important platform. >> reporter: he handed over information about the company to various u.s. law enforcement agencies, the fcc, the ftc and the department of justice. >> may i ask your name. >> mudge. >> reporter: zatko is better known in the hacking world by his nickname mudge. he's been a renowned cybersecurity expert for decades. >> his roots are in hacking, figuring out how computers and software work. >> reporter: that expertise might be why jack dorsey then ceo of twitter hired zatko after the compan

reporter: the extremist online postings after the mar-a-lago raid were found by cnn correspondent donie o'sullivan, and he said this about the online forum. >> that website is one of the very same websites where many people were talking about plans for january 6 in advance of the attack on the capitol. people discussing how to attack police officers. >> reporter: in fact one reply to the lock and load threat came from an account run by capitol insurrectionist tyler schlaker. the replay saidy said are we no told civil war? he did not respond to requests for comments. anti-defamation league worries about what comes next. >> it docould be the lone wolf feels compelled to commit violence against a law enforcement official or depagai some other person. it could be an organized group. >> reporter: a congressional security official told cnn that shortly after the news of the mar-a-lago raid broke, u.s. capitol police began discussions about monitoring and planning for potential violent rhetoric, that official saying that they have particular concern about violence being directed against members of congre

reporter: the extremist online postings after the mar-a- lago raid were found by cnn correspondent donie o'sullivanho tracks extremists online and said this about that online forum supporting trump where some of those threats popped up. >> that website is where many people were talking about plans for january 6th in advance of the attack on the capitol, people discussing how to attack police officers. >> reporter: in fact, one reply to the lock and load threat came from an account run by capitol insurrectionist tyler slaker according to the group advance democracy. the reply said, "are we not in a cold civil war at this point?" his lawyer did not respond to the request for comment. the anti-defamation league worries about what comes next. >> it could be the lone wolf who now feels compelled to commit an act of violence against the law enforcement official or against some other person. it could be an organized group. >> reporter: a congressional security official told cnn shortly after the news of the mar-a-lago raid broke, the u.s. capitol police began discussions about monitoring and planning for

. >> thank you, donie o'sullivan for that report. more states have chose their nominees for the midterm elections just 11 weeks away. when we come back the big takeaways from tuesday's primaries. also, why a trump ally may have thrown the former president under the bus. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ just 33 minutes past the hour. welcome to our viewers back here in the united states around the world. you're watching cnn newsroom. i'm john vause. well -- the defining features of the latest democratic primaries. a new york, house senate jerry had their decidedly defeated carolyn maloney in the states while congressional district. these democrats both were pitted against each other due to new york's municipality. and florida, val demings, has secured the democratic nomination in a landslide win. she will face marco rubio in the november midterms. but florida's most closely watched battle which the democratic nomination for battle. with representative charlie crist has won. chris, once served as the republican governor florida, defeated nicu free.

donie o'sullivan is here.> it's an interesting conference, hackers, some of them doing shady stuff. you have people from the government, people from the department of homeland security who want to learn from hackers and recruit them. the voting village, they're tearing apart voting machines, take a look. >> so the conspiracy claim, once it's cut down, the second head pops up. >> we've had two years of non-stop conspiracy theories about the 2020 election. many of which center around these voting machines that they were in some way hacked and used to steal a vote and to steal the election. we are here at defcon in las vegas, some people called hacker summer damp and hackers are doing their very best this weekend to break into voting machines. >> isn't what you're doing here by tearing these machines apart, showing that they can be vulnerable. is that going to play into more of the fears, and conspiracy theories about the election. >> i think these fears and conspiracies really thrive in darkness. here we have, l

reporter: the extremist online postings after the mar-a-lago raid were found by cnn correspondent donie o'sullivan, who tracks extremism online. he said this about that online forum supporting trump, where some of those threats popped up. >> that website is one of the very same websites where many of the people were talking about plans for january 6th in advance of the attack on the capitol, people discussing how to attack police officers. >> reporter: in fact, one reply to the lock and load threat came from an account run by capitol insurrectionist tyler schleicher, according to the group advanced democracy. the reply said, quote, are we not in a cold civil war at this point? tyler schleicher's lawyer did not respond to cnn's request for comment. the antidefamation league worries about what comes next. >> it would be the lone wolf who feels compelled to commit an act of violence against a law enforcement official or against some other person. it could be an organized group. >> reporter: a congressional security official told cnn that shortly after the news of mar-a-lago raid broke, the u.s. capit

donie o'sullivan reports. >> so one head of the cut down, second head pops up. >> we've had two yearstop conspiracy theories about the 2020 election. many of which center around these voting machines that they were in some way hacked and used to steal votes and to steal the election. we are here at defcon in las vegas which some called hacker summer camp and hackers are doing their very best this weekend to break into these voting machines. isn't what you are doing here by tearing the machines apart and showing that they can be vulnerable, is that not just going to play into more of the fears, more of the conspiracy theories about the election in. >> i think a lot of the fears and conspiracies really thrive in darkness. here we have like a clear box model where we open things up, because we can look inside and you are actually able to get your hands on these voting machines yourselves. it is not that there are not vulnerabilities within these machines that need to be addressed. just because there are vulnerabilities doesn't mean that they were manipulated or exploited in the way that

. >> cnn's donie o'sullivan broke the story, he's back with the details, donie, just explain exactly why this is a threat to national security. >> there's so much in this disclosure. i've been trying to think how to break it down. why should we care about this? why should people who don't use twitter give a damn about this? well, we saw in 2020 teenagers, teenagers hacked twitter. and at the time, they had control of obama accounts and then presidential candidate joe biden's accounts, and others like kim kardashian and elon musk. think about how many government officials, how many presidents around the world, use twitter to make statements, to make declarations. think about if it wasn't just teenagers were doing a crypto scam, but it was a foreign government that got that access, and that could potentially put those statements out there. that is why these cyber security issues at twitter matter. and we have heard, from this whistle-blower, the former head of security. and i want to play a bit of sound for you now from both the whistle-blower and his lawyer. >> your whole perception o

donie o'sullivan is reporting that trump's social media platform sent a push alert this afternoon to with an unredacted version of the search warrant. why is that important? because it included the names of two fbi agents and now they are being villainized on pro trump social media and there might be extraordinary danger now. just how extraordinary and how dangerous could this be? >> very. we just need to call it that. this is not a joke. and so much of trump's circle and inner circle and the family itself view life as sort of this expendable thing for purposes of their political gain. they just throw this stuff out there. they know exactly what they're doing. i think it is incumbent on everyone to call them on it. you simply can no longer talk about both sides or talk about mere violence. this is a form of targeted assassination against two named fbi agents who were doing their jobs, who cares what their politics are, in issuing a search warrant against the president, former president of the united states, approved by a judge. is the judge also under attack? he is the board member o

as donie o'sullivan reports, the disclosure also alleges some of twitter's senior executivevise beenng forward? >> all my life, i have been about finding places where i can go and make a difference. >> this is peter, until january of this year, he was head of security at twitter, but now he's a whistleblower. and he says twitter's security problems are so grave, they are a risk to national security and democracy. >> i think twitter is a critical resource to the entire world. i think it's an extremely important platform. >> he's handed over information about the company to u.s. law enforcement agencies including the s.e.c., ftc, and department of justice. >> we're in touch with the law enforcement agencies where. they're taking this seriously. >> twitter is pushing back saying he's a pushing a narrative about our security practices that is riddled with inconsistencies and inaccuracies and lacks important context. cnn and t"the washington post" obtained a copy of the disclosure. in it, he claims nearly half of twitter's employees have access to some of the platform's main critical cont

cnn's donie o'sullivan has this reporting. he joins us now.inating to listen to and see the fallout from already today. what did zatko tell you? >> there is a lot in this. i think what stands out for me really is what zatko is alleging is that twitter employees, thousands of them, have too much access to the kind of main critical controls at twitter. we all might remember 2020, the summer of 2020, there was a huge twitter hack, we saw biden, who was running for president at the time, his account was com compromised as was elon musk, kim kardashian, obama's. that was compromised by hackers, some of them were teenagers. the point that zatko is making, and his lawyer is making is if teenagers can do this, just imagine what nation states can do, what hackers from russia, china, elsewhere can do. i want to play for you some sound of zatko and his lawyer. >> your whole perception of the world is made from what you're seeing, reading and consuming online. and if you don't have an understanding of what's real, what's not, what data to trust what not t

cnn's donie o'sullivan is here with the exclusive details. what are we seeing, what are the main headlines out of this disclosure? >> that's right, kaitlan, a lot to break down in this. this disclosure is in the hands of multiple u.s. law enforcement agencies, including the s.e.c. and the department of justice and today zatko is speaking out for the first time to cnn. have a look. ready? >> yes. >> why are you coming forward? >> all my life i've been about finding places where i can go, and make a difference. >> reporter: this is peiter zatko. until january this year he was head of security at ftwitter, bt now a whistle-blower. he said the problems are so grave, they're a risk to national security and democracy. >> twitter is a critical resource to the entire world. i think it is an extremely important platform. >> reporter: he handed over information about the company to various u.s. law enforcement agencies, the fcc, the ftc and the department of justice. >> may i ask your name. >> mudge. >> reporter: zatko is better known in the hacking wo

win donie o'sullivan, think. you and thank you will also much for watching.front. out front next. a federal response to trump's -- giving the former president for one why he wants a better view of documents taking from mar-a-lago. as well as learning new details about the tutor shooter involved with the material at mar-a-lago. plus, thousands of immigrants at the southern border showing up in d.c. and new york city. it is a new york is asking, what about our needs? and, it is election day in america. new york raising -- between two political heavyweights

. >> a huge scoop from donie o'sullivan, thank you for your diligent reporting. let's bring in chris comiskey, he serves as the acting undersecretary for management at the u.s. department of homeland security. thank you for being here. this is disturbing information, thisexecutive accusing them of issues that threaten national security, and chuck grassley says he has deep concerned, quote, take a tech platform that can collect massive amounts of user data, combine it with an incredibly weak security structure and fuse it with foreign actors with an agenda and you have a recipe for disaster. do you agree, and what's the largest threat? >> i do agree. when i saw cnn break the story, what came to mind was surprise that the environment was so unstable, but also alarmed because it's not only problematic for users, first and foremost, because it's privacy considerations and where the information and data goes, but it's also a problem for the company in terms of their reporting to regulators over the last ten years and ultimately to democracy because people rely on this

donie o'sullivan is reporting that trump's social media platform sent a push alert this afternoon tot important? because it included the names of two fbi agents and now they are being villainized on pro trump social media and there might be extraordinary danger now. just how extraordinary and how dangerous could this be? >> very. we just need to call it that. this is not a joke. and so much of trump's circle and inner circle and the family itself view life as sort of this expendable thing for purposes of their political gain. they just throw this stuff out there. they know exactly what they're doing. i think it is incumbent on everyone to call them on it. you simply can no longer talk about both sides or talk about mere violence. this is a form of targeted assassination against two named fbi agents who were doing their jobs, who cares what their politics are, in issuing a search warrant against the president, former president of the united states, approved by a judge. is the judge also under attack? he is the board member of a synagogue. that synagogue had to close their services thi

donie o'sullivan breaking knew this morning.hroughout the morning, we will wait and see what the reaction is, we're expecting to hear from key players over the next several hours. >> and lawmakers, there's a huge reaction to this coming. >> absolutely. to make clear, zatko wants to testify. >> more to come, great work, thank you very much. >>> attorneys for former president trump taking their first legal action since the fbi's search of mar-a-lago two weeks ago. the trump team is asking a federal judge to appoint a special master, an independent lawyer or judge, to review what the fbi sees at his florida estate. cnn's katelyn polantz live. >> john, the filing yesterday, the first time one from donald trump's team on the search at mar-a-lago, it's essentially to delay, to slow down that the criminal investigation has been taken out of the former president's beach club. there's a couple of things that donald trump is asking for in this filing. he's asking for a special master. so a third-party appointee brought in by the court to

for now on cnn's donie o'sullivan.talked with the accuse russian and an unindicted coconspirator. a >> my message is so easy. i am not evil. >> not doctor evil, but this man alexander enough has been charged and sanctioned by the u.s. government for working with the fsb russian intelligence to infiltrate the american political movements. >> he handles russian government coconspirators engaged in a malign influence campaign to sow discord, spread propaganda, and interfere in elections in the united states. the federal indictment but -- one is being co-opted by him or the description of the group leads to a melee yet to tele-. >> are you an agent to russia? >> please. it's a really insulting question. >> he is a lifelong activist and the chairman of the african people socialist party and now in the eyes of the u.s. government is an uninvited cole conspirator and a russian -- undermining american democracy. >> for the zip tie on my wrist, and they wanted me to sit on the curb. >> he's not in charge, but it's home here in

donie o'sullivan, you know that all too well. thanks for following it. we appreciate it. >>> joining me is the former democratic presidential candidate andrew yang who helped form a new political party called forward alongside two former republican officials. forward is the title of his recent book. thank you for joining us. can i ask you something you tweeted about the fbi search at mar-a-lago? you wrote it looks increasingly like the fbi raid was defined, mishandled classified documents and not some other doj investigation, which was my first thought. mishandling documents doesn't seem like raid material. it does, however, seem like excellent campaign material for trump. and i have to ask you, it sounds like you are letting trump off the hook here, taking top-secret documents to your mansion is okay with you? are you giving trump a pass? >> well, thanks, jim. it was a very disturbing report you got from donie. extremism is on the rise throughout the country. it's one reason we think the forward party is so vital. we think there needs to be a broad, pos

reporter: the extremist online postings after the mar-a-lago raid were found by cnn correspondent donie o'sullivan who tracks extremism online. he said this about that online forum supporting trump where some of the threats popped up. >> that website is one of the very same websites where many people were talking about plans for january 6th in advance of the attack on the capitol. people discussing how to attack police officers. >> reporter: in fact, one reply to the lock and load threat came from an account run by capitol insurrectionist tyler slaker, according to the group advance democracy which investigates cases like this. the reply said are we not in a cold civil war at this point? schleicher's lawyer did not respond for comment. the anti-defamation league worries about what comes next. >> it could be the lone wolf who now feels impelled to commit an act of violence against the law enforcement official or against some other person. it could be an organized group. >> reporter: a congressional security official told cnn that shortly after the news of the mar-a-lago raid broke on monday, the u.

donie o'sullivan broke this story. he's here with the latest this morning.ow, clearly this caught the attention of congress. we speculated it would almost immediately had you broke this on cnn the other day. what is the expectation for his testimony? >> yeah, so a lot has happened in the 48 hours since this story broke here on "new day." he is going to appear before the senate judiciary committee in the middle of september, in a few weeks, on the very same day that twitter shareholders are going to be voting whether to approve the elon musk $44 billion deal. which raises, of course, all the questions about the timing of this. we already have seen musk's lawyer, alex spiro bringing this up in court, ahead of that trial, which is due to happen in october, and saying we want to hear more from this guy. this guy is helping our case. we have asked mudge, peiter zatko and his lawyer many times, do they have anything to do with musk, they say no, this is bigger than him, we began this process long before there was ever talk of musk taking over the company. >> it ha

donie o'sullivan thank you so much for your reporting. terrific analysis. >>> all right. a lot going on, especially with the breaking news out of mar-a-lago, the fbi conducting a search operation there. the news continues, so let's hand it over to sara sidner and hand it over to sara sidner and "cnn tonight." -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >>> i'm sara sidner, and this is "cnn tonight" on a very big news night. former president donald trump's mar-a-lago home in florida has been searched by the fbi. trump confirmed it himself tonight. three sources tell our sara murray and kristen holmes it was related to the handling of presidential documents, including classified documents. those documents may have been brought to mar-a-lago when donald trump left the white house. in order to get a search warrant like this, prosecutors have establish probable cause that a crime was committed. so, this is a very big deal. make no mistake about it. former president trump has already blasted the move, claiming, as he often does, political persecution and a witch hunt. in a statement

win donie o'sullivan, think. you and thank you will also much for watching. i am alex -- , but erin burnett starts out front. out front next. a federal response to trump's -- giving the former president for one why he wants a better view of documents taking from mar-a-lago. as well as learning new details about the tutor shooter involved with the material at mar-a-lago. plus, thousands of immigrants at the southern border showing up in d.c. and new york city. it is a new york is asking, what about our needs? and, it is election day in america. new york raising -- between two political heavyweights, that could turn personal and nasty. accusations of being senile and gullible. up next up front. good evening everyone, i'm kate baldwin in for erin burnett. up, tonight trump under pressure. former judge pressing the former president for more answers tonight. giving trump's legal team a deadline to explain his request for a special master to leave a review of the evidence that the fbi took from mar-a-lago last month. the judge, who was nominated to the bench by tru

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for example, here just some of the posts my colleague donie o'sullivan has found.d toward merrick garland. he says garland needs to be assassinated. simple as that. another user wrote, kill all feds. users also encouraged other people to post the address of the judge they believe signed off on the search warrant, saying i see a rope around his neck. that was posted, erin, underneath a photo of that judge. this is all coming up on the very same forum where researchers had previously found talk of violence and discussion on how to attack police officers, other members of law enforcement, and this was the rhetoric that was going on on january 6th, erin, the point here being that the very same place that violent rhetoric originated before january 6th is the very same place it is originating from now. back to you. >> all right, whitney, thank you very much. really sobering. i want to go now to republican governor of arkansas, asa hutchinson. he was also a u.s. attorney in the justice department under president reagan so understands this from that side very well as well.