'electric castellanos and donna brazile are here to talk about that. be kind to your eyes with transitions lenses. transitions adapt to changing light so you see your whole day comfortably and conveniently while protecting your eyes from the sun. ask your eyecare professional which transitions lenses are right for you. ask your eyecare professional for your transitions certificate of authenticity for your chance to win instant monthly prizes or our $20,000 grand prize! >>> let's get right to our "strategy session." the democratic strategist donna brazile and republican strategist alex castellanos. what's the latest? is the president getting ready to what some democrats fear, sell out the liberal base of the democratic party? >> i don't believe he's trying to sell out anybody. >> but in order to avoid default? >> i think there's still many options on the table. maybe the republicans are going to finally come to their senses, the senate democrats will vote down the ridiculous bill that the house passed yesterday. and others will be able to get back to th

. >> hello, i'm donna brazile sitting in for bonnie erbe.g int welcome to "to the contrary," a discussion of news and social trends from diverse perspectives. up first, the debt-ceiling wom debate and its impact on women: >> as negotiations continue over the nation's $14 trillion debt, women's rights organizations arr calling for an agreement that doesn't sacrifice programs that disproportionately serve women. the national council of women's organizations, comprised of 240 groups representing more than 12 million women, launched a nationwide campaign this week - respect, protect, reject. respect women's contributions tc the economy and need for economic security; protect social security, mecare, medicaid and programs that serve and employ women; and reject budget plans that threaten ton,i send women, particularly older women, into poverty." according to data from the institute for women's policy research, more than half of women 75 and older would be living below the poverty line without social security. and 56% of women are medicare recipients.s >> terry, are women's voices being heard i

we'll get donna brazill in our strategy session.trategy session. >>> here in the united states, the fbi is investigating that reports working for rupert many dock tried to hire investigations to hack into the phones of 9/11 victims. >> there season an investigation. intercepting communications like that is a crime. it has to be investigated. i think what there shouldn't be -- and we've learned recently with a bunch of criminal cases of different kinds, don't rush to judgment. give people a presumption of innocence. i think that just how high up it goes is a big question, and it's one we shouldn't be jumping to conclusions about. >> giuliani spoke to our chief political correspondent candy crowley. we'll see much more on sunday morning, 9:00 a.m. eastern. let's get to our strategy session right now. joining urks two cnn contributors, donna brazile and the republican strategist alex castellanos. do you think rudy giuliani is going to run for president again? >> i don't think so. i would say last time he had a better shot. >> i suspect

democratic strategist, donna brazile, and al hunt, and the executive washington editor of bloomberg new, and abc's political correspondent jonathan karl. thank you all for being here. george, you heard what william daley said. blamed it on politics for the collapse and said the president will still go for the big deal. >> this is politics. we have two party force a reason. they have different views for the proper scope of government. the government has its own litmus test. we're here to defend the structure. the republicans said we did not win the last election other than to shrink the government. thth w wt to shrink the deficit and the government at the same time. part of the problem is, i think the american people are suffering apocalypse fatigue. they've been told over the last 40 years, they're going to die from nuclear winter, global cooling, global warping and they hear this is armageddon. i don't think they believe it. >> george, they're suggesting there's not a big catastrophe looming if the u.s. government defaults, every economist, including head of imf, not liberal and spendi

joining us, donna brazile, a cnn contributor, and rich galen, a republican strategist and publisher of of the my must-reads. >> as a i was born and raised in waterloo, as a mom of five, a foster parent and former tax lawyer, now a small business job create ore, we can't keep spending money we don't have. that's why i fought against the wasteful bailout and the stimulus. i will not vote to increase the debt ceiling. iism michele bachmann, and i approved this message. >>> you ran a campaign in iowa. is that going to work? >> well, look, she's trying to introduce herself to the voters who may not know her outside her home county, but on the other hand, i think her statement about refusing to raise the debt limit is irresponsible. she said, look, we shouldn't raise it, because it's money we didn't have to spend, you know what? we spent the money, we owe, and it will danger other economy at a time when it's very fragile. it will cost perhaps 500,000 people to lose their jobs. this is ridiculous. we could raise it and stop playing these games. >> i don't know how you all know that. you're no