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here to talk about the race, kevin madden, donna brazile and susan page.ost'" chris cillizza says that sanford is good to provide fodder for democrats that it might be better for him to win tomorrow because then he's around. and no matter what happens, colbert in that election seat can't last. >> there's no question that governor sanford would win this in a nanosecond. but it's a close race because of his personal troubles. >> entirely because of his personal troubles. there's no other reason. >> i do believe that colbert-busch is a different kind of democrat. she's an independent democrat. she resonates in the district. this might be a good opportunity to, for once, and for all to show the democrats can win red drikts. if he wins, we'll have a lot of late-night conversations and early morning coffees about mark sanford back in the house of representatives. >> he might win. >> very much so. he has a good chance. when this race first started where it was very competitive, i said the biggest problem that sanford would have is that if he made this a redemptio

in fact, i was talking about it the other day with donna brazile as a matter of fact and she was the beneficiary. she said i love the fact you get young women who are so at this and there's no second thought about it. they are active in sports because those sports for women were treated equally. >> host: it's so fascinating how someone writes the responsibilities and rights and protections came, many of them during your four decades of service. you were there during a formative period when women younger than you may take for granted that you are witness to the changes. that is really worth women especially should read about the fights you had to wage on behalf of women. i loved also an avid about her much revered senator margaret chaffetz who gave a speech called the decorations conscience about mccarthyism but not naming senator joe mccarthy in june of 1950 and give quote a financier and political consultant named bernard baruch who said if the man had made the decorations conscience he would have been the next president of the united states. you mention the book talking about an ol

cnn political contributor and democratic strategist donna brazille and senior analyst ron brownstein.s happen? is it arrogance, over reach, people are no longer afraid and start to leak? why does this happen? >> it is striking how often -- truman, eisenhower, nixon, reagan, clinton, w. bush all having second-term scandals that at least partially derailed their administration and i think part of it is arrogance. part of it is inattention or kind of a sense of the administration gets weary but i think also part of it is just the odds catching up with you. 1600 pennsylvania avenue is a dangerous place. you stay long enough things happen. somewhere someone does something wrong. i think you're seeing that kind of confluence now again with president obama. >> how dangerous would this have been for president obama politically if it happened instead of, you know, may, 2013, may, 2012? >> it could have been dangerous. i think, look. the curse is in the coverup. all of these things, the irs, what the irs did, what happened in benghazi, and the department of justice, these all happened in the fi

joining us, two cnn analysts, donna brazil and "new york times" op-ed columnist ross duvat.let me start with you. the new incoming president of the nra, jim porter, there's some video circulating of some comments that he made last year about president obama. let's play that and get your take on that. >> i get so sick and tired of all these people with this fake president, who want to say he hasn't done anything bad for gun owners. his entire administration is anti-gun, anti-freedom, anti-second amendment. the nra i can assure you has dug in, and we're whipping their ass everywhere we can go. right and left, up and down. >> doesn't sound like the nra will be toning things down with mr. porter. >> i think it's a barbecue behind him. i think we need some of that smoke coming up. but look, this is the problem in a way with being a really successful interest group. the nra is one of the most successful interest groups in the country. public opinion has probably shifted in its direction over the last 20 years. but that makes it harder to actually mobilize gun owners, especially af

just imagine, donna brazile, if the george w. bush administration had an irs underling, not in cincinnati of course, saying we're going to target groups with the word progressive in that title, we would have all hell breaking loose. martha: all hell breaking loose. joining me, karl rove and former chief visor and deputy chief of staff to president george w. bush and founder of american crossroads and a fox news contributor. good morninging. is george will right about that? >> when he said it the shivers came up and down my spine. we would have every major liberal newspaper in america calling for an investigation, hinting at impeachment. it would be leading the evening news. we would have every group that had liberal or progressive tendencies demanding answers and marching on the white house and leaders of congress, democrats in congress, demanding to have answers. i mean it, would be a nightmare at the bush white house had this been done on our watch. martha: do you believe that this came, this directive came from, to search for

title ix for example, in fact i was talking about it the other day with donna brazile as a matter of fact. she was the beneficiary. i said you love the fact that you have young women who are so active. there's no second thought about it. they are active in sports and they made sure they were treated equally. >> host: it's so fascinating how somebody writes and protection scheme many of them during your four decades of service. you were really there at a formative period that women younger than you may take for granted that you are what is to the changes. women especially really should read about the fights ahead on behalf of women. i loved also an anecdote about your much revered senator margaret chase smith of maine who gave a speech called the declaration of conscience directed at mccarthyism meaning senator joe mccarthy in june of 1950 and you quote a financier and political consultant named bernard rukh, who said if a man had made the declaration of conscience he would have been the next president of the united states. and you mentioned in the book when you are talking about hill