let's ask the lawyer for the condo association, donna demagio burger. >> thank you for having me hereting you saying you want to conduct a fact-based investigation because what we've heard so far since this tragedy occurred is a lot of speculation. >> i hear you. and look, i don't like it because i had so many of the families down there. you were there with us. and dealing with the board and listening to the broadcast and they were so worried and there were so many other residents from different buildings in the area who were worried who say, are we next. i don't want to contribute to that. let's deal with what we know. first, what do you make of the last guest who was a forensic expert, he looks at failures and said a lot of engineers who do these reviews basically are not up to snuff and that condo boards are looking for cheap as much as they're looking for good. is there a chance that your board went cheap on who they had do the 40-year revertifications and other maintenance appraisals. >> i'm so glad you asked that question because i jotted down a note when rick was speaking. firs