matthew dowd and donna edwards are back with me.ew, i will rely on your connections here with the republican circles. how do most house republicans view this first week, and are they worried that things are already going off the rails? >> well, universally, with few if any exceptions voted for all of this in the course of this, even after the awful beginning of this process where it took them 15 belt or whatever to get to a speaker in this, i think when i just people not by what they say or people that tell me, oh, we really don't like this, they're doing it, so i just people by what they do and how they say. to me, watching this unfold, and i know they tried to give this explanation, well, we had a messy launch but now that we're launch will do this stuff, to me it's again a bunch of people getting on a cruise ship and being told that they will go to fantasy island, and then it finally launches a week late, and they finally get the captain on board,, and their fantasy island will be, will fix inflation, fix gas bushes, fix the bord

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donna edwards, in watching this, we saw nancy pelosi coming to the floor. she's not on the podium. that is the big change. it was done so gracefully that it doesn't seem as though this was a loss for her or for the democrats. she had plenty of personal reasons with what happened to her husband paul. there was an acknowledged need for leadership change in generations as well. >> i think that's right. what you see among democrats is this brilliance among this new leadership team. the democrats firmly united behind that team and ready to go. then you look across the aisle and it's utter chaos. i think this is really just the beginning of the chaos. democrats are going to have to stay united with their leadership team to make sure that they can thwart and take advantage of the chaos that's going to be on the other side. >> garrett, in talking about nancy pelosi, i'm thinking of when we were live in 2006 that she was taking the gavel as the first woman speaker, the first time she did, and called all the children up to the podium and said, it's about the children, which is something as y

joining me now is sahil kapur and susan page, donna edwards and former congressman david jolly.ssible demands the house republicans may be presenting in the coming days as both sides are sort of shaping the battle? >> first, the stakes are enormous. if the u.s. does default, we could look at everything from a recession and a stock market crash, failure to pay bills from everything from the pentagon to social security payments. it could be catastrophic worldwide. house republicans, newly empowered by this majority, are making a potpourri of demands. this is led by the same group of lawmakers who forced concessions out of speaker kevin mccarthy in order to give him the job. you see these on the screen. they want everything from dollar for dollar spending cuts, a ten-year balanced budget, mandatory spending cuts, that includes medicare and social security, and government funding at fiscal 2022 level, erasing a deal to raise domestic spending and pentagon spending. kevin mccarthy has not put out a specific list of demands. he has not flushed it out. he endorsed this push by the hard

lee at the white house, jeff bennett, an msnbc political contributor, and former congresswoman donna edwardswe know why the president has been refusing to take questions on this? i think yesterday peter said was day five. does the white house think if he answers questions it will give the story more oxygen? what are you hearing? >> reporter: what we know is that this initial approach that the white house took to this, which was to not get out in front of it and not disclose things before they were disclosed by the news media, that's largely been maintained. we did hear a few disclosures from the white house and the personal counsel on things that transpired and last few days since the special counsel was named, but they still have maintaining this position that they don't want to get too ahead of the investigation. they don't want to appear as though they are influencing it. they are limited in what they say. as you note, the justice department did not tell the white house that they can't talk about the details of this publicly. so the white house is making that choice. that is their legal s

want to go back to donna edwards and david jolly, just to sort of address as where we are right now. i'll start with you david al come to you donna to steve's point earlier, i think the general point, is kevin mccarthy is in negotiations for three and a half hours. he's lost six votes in a row, he didn't have the votes to win tonight. he wants adjournment, because he wants to cut a bunch of deals. so in that sense, this narrow procedural victory tonight, maybe looks like green shoots for him. one question i have for you is, just to give a read, this deal that was announced, the congressional leadership from the fund, which sounds -- like two different war lords about a pact. these are the super pacs. so folks understand, this it's controlled by the leader, it represents the campaign spending money of house leadership, right? club for growth is often banking insurgents, not always. but they don't like, is the leadership coming into open primaries, in safe red seats, basically to knock down often, the kinds of candidates who have been losing, and causing them trouble, and now they have

democrat former congresswoman, donna edwards of maryland, david jolly of florida, and jeff mason. donna, senator manchin is not ruling out 2024. a primary run for the white house. how seriously should people take those comments? >> i heard that. it seems highly unlikely and certainly not in a democratic primary. maybe he'd just like to run as an independent, this would be almost, kind of like the ralph nader move that would probably guarantee that a republican who knows, maybe it's donald trump, becomes president again. i think president biden announces running for president for re-election, all democrats are going to stand down. >> jeff mason, it's our reporting also that the president has already delayed the campaign announcement until after the state of the union contrary to what they're saying publicly because of the classified document scandal. it was originally going to be earlier. >> my reporting is that it was always going to be after the state of the union address. that's coming up pretty soon. i think it's february 7th. so only a couple of weeks away. i think what will be

joining our conversation is former congresswoman and current msnbc contributor, donna edwards. re. donna, i like what leaders jeffries said, that the santos scandal speaks for itself, but how do we reckon with a chamber being led by someone who not only won't purge a liar at least five criminal probes, but shows no signs of sanctioning him, punishing him, doing anything about it. >> well, it may speak for itself, but not loudly enough for kevin mccarthy to hear it or for the republican leadership. you know, i was always kind of an institutionalist, making sure that members behave in a way that gives credit to the institution. that's one of the ethical responsibilities. kevin mccarthy knows this, but he's not going to do anything about it. and frankly, as long as george santos continues as a member of congress, this scandal will follow him and the republican leadership, especially kevin mccarthy, for every single day. because reporters aren't going to let up on it and nor should they, because what's been detailed, especially today, the multiple campaign finance violations, the ou

also with us as former democratic representative donna edwards of maryland. she also is an msnbc political analyst. thank you both for being here on the -- happy new year. representative waltz. what do we think but can mccarthy? what do you think about democracy in his chances of whether or not he could be the next piece occur? >> yamiche, i'm struck by it was only two and a half months ago it was gonna be a triumphant week for republicans. they were going to win this senate. they were gonna have a huge majority in the house. donald trump was going to announce his reelection. and now it's the beginning of other chaos. they have a slim majority in the house. i think mccarthy will probably still cobble together a majority and become speaker. yamiche, no republican really likes a. most importantly, no republican in the caucus trust some. because he has no core. he's giving away every inch of his body to become speaker. >> i was thinking about all the things that he's giving away. the trust factor. what's the sort of risk and liability for him if he gives away al

with us now to talk about all of this, allie raffa, geoff bennett, donna edwards, and susan del percioey're all msnbc contributors. what do the hold outs want from mccarthy here? >> reporter: that's what's still unclear at the moment and that's what kevin mccarthy is talking to these members about and asking them the same question right now as he tries to lock in every ounce of support he knows he's going to need before this make or break vote tomorrow. in this letter by these nine house republicans, they're saying that mccarthy is too late in making these concessions that he's already made. he's really missing the mark as a whole and they're also saying that, you know, after nearly 15 years in gop leadership, he is part of the problem and they're looking for someone else to be part of the solution. this is, steven, after all coming after mccarthy made some key concessions over the past few weeks so these far-right holdouts in the republican party in exchange for their support. concessions that could make mccarthy even more in a vulnerable position if he is elected speaker tomorrow. he

let's bring in former maryland congresswoman and msnbc contributor donna edwards.. alito was worried about an assassination attempt on the conservative justices. we should all, no matter our partisan divisions, take any public official who is concerned about an assassination attempt very seriously. i wonder if it can be true that there was a fear of assassination attempt and also true that this leak that led to the threat of assassination did not result in a referral to the fbi to investigate. >> that should have been the handoff right there to investigators who are able to dig through forensic and other details and to try to figure out what happened. merely signing an affidavit -- if you are a liar and you sign the affidavit and you are still lying if nobody does anything to test the truth or veracity of the statement you have made. look, the report is, i think, 20 pages. it's not very long or very detailed. we don't even know, for example, whether the justices themselves were interviewed. we don't know whether past clerks were interviewed. it talks about intervie

joining us, donna edwards, and eddie glad is back. john and eddie are msnbc contributors.s your body of reporting that i think ties these two stories that we're living through this week together. the events of january 6th, efforts to unearth them and uncover them, the complete obstruction and smearing, frankly of the committee members and the committee's product. and now those members including many who voted -- all of them, i guess kevin mccarthy is no different than scott perry in that regard, mangling the house's effort to exist this week. there is no house of representatives. there are no members of congress today. they're all members-elect. >> right, yeah. and there's a lot of overlap between that hard right wing of the republican party that led as donald trump's top lieutenants to overturn the 2020 election. i'm not just talking about, you know, all the people that voted to overturn the election, because that's a majority of house republicans, but really the hard-right group, who really planned with donald trump and plotted with donald trump for how they could bring

charlie sykes, "usa today" washington bureau chief susan paige, donna edwards and former u.s.orney joyce vance. welcome all. happy monday. garrett, there is no honeymoon period for kevin mccarthy. 5:00 tonight they reconvene another difficult vote for some of the more moderate republican house members. are they going to go along with the deals he made? >> reporter: andrea, i think in the 118th congress there will be difficult votes. kevin mccarthy is a narrow majority to begin with. they have proven to be an unruly bunch and members are going to speak out. moderates almost by definition of less likely to rock the boat on key votes than some of those folks on the far right. but mccarthy could see some defections on the rules package which doesn't actually include some of the biggest giveaways that he made to get the speaker's gavel in hand. he could see defections and frustration around this issue of the fact that these giveaways exist. one of those folks who seems to be upset is tony gonzalez of texas who voiced his frustration on fox news just this morning about what mccarthy

hill correspondent garrett haake, political correspondent steve kornacki, former congresswoman donna edwards, an msnbc political analyst, john theory is a long-time republican house staffer, matthew dowd is founder of the group country over party, and susan del percent owe, an msnbc political analyst. one heck of a group. where do things stand on this vote right now? >> where they stand is the seventh ballot is not going to settle it. we're going to head to an eighth ballot. this is now the ninth longest vote for speaker in the history of the country. if it the gets to nine ballots, it will be tied for eighth. when you say there's been no movement, what you've got here, we're tracking them as they vote. these are the folks who voted against mccarthy on the previous ballots. they are voting for byron donaldss, whose name was placed into nomination as an alternative to.com county. except for matt gaetz, who put a name in there for donald trump. interestingly, donalds himself hasn't voted. garrett had had interesting reporting there. when they get to the end of the roll call, donalds will have

back with us tonight, donna edwards, former democratic member of congress now a washington post columnistal republicans, they have called for a centrist step down, the wall street journal published an op-ed called george santos has got to go. how long can this go on? >> well, i think it will go on as long as george santos has the gall to remain in congress because it doesn't seem like he will be expelled unless there is some event that precipitates that and there can be some sort of indictment. sometimes that doesn't even happen. sometimes politicians get indicted and they remain until there is a definitive conviction or not. so it seems like, for the time being, house republicans are going to continue having to answer questions about george santos and they are going to have to continue feeling the embarrassment of having to serve alongside someone who is clearly a serial liar, perhaps the biggest fire ever elected in the history of the congress. and that is saying a lot. >> donna, i think it's an important story, the sun to story, but i think it's also obscuring other important things th

let me bring in donna edward, anna palmer.gresswoman edwards, let me start by clarifying something. kevin mccarthy, turning that sound around, when he walked in, he didn't say i think we'll get to 218. he said, i think we can get to an agreement. he's feeling confident that there will be some kind of an agreement. what you're seeing are democrats for now holding firm all backing hakeem jeffries. there had been some speculation over the course of the last 18 hours that perhaps if this dragged on, you may see some democrats get sick of this, peel away, et cetera, is that your sense? are you hearing anything about that? or is that simply a concern that democrats are learning to move against here? >> democrats are united behind hakeem jeffries. i think democrats are also prepared to stand back and let them go through their dysfunction. there's no reason. i know there's been speculation about maybe democrats will craft some sort of consensus. i have not heard that at all from within the party. i think that democrats are on course t

congresswoman donna edwards.backs corporations, obviously, do try to satisfy shareholders and other stakeholders but the shareholders are the people that risk their capital in whatever business endeavor that the company is involved with sometimes ceos decide or boards decide we're going to issue shares because we've got a lot of great investments we want to make and expand. sometimes they reduce the balance sheet by buying back shares do you think inherently we can make a value judgment about whether a buyback is somehow an evil or some insidious sort of action by a corporation? >> well, in this case, i mean, chevron and other oil companies have complained about not having production capacity and drilling capacity, and so here -- i mean it would be one thing if chevron was spending your money to increase production, to innovate, to invest in new technologies, but instead, in this buyback, sure, shareholders are getting paid, but those ceos are also getting a great payday as well. and i think what president biden

a congresswoman, former congresswoman, donna edwards. former presidential candidate, and author of, i can't say that word on tv. blank silence. calling trump out for the -- authoritarian climb and he is. and, john -- co-founder punchbowl news. have you always have that beer, john? >> no. i knew you were going to say something about it. >> sorry. i'm sorry. i'm sorry. all right, i'm going to start with you, perez. kevin mccarthy was on face the nation breaking a little news. watch this. >> you have accepted an invitation to meet with president biden. when will that happen, did what offer when you put on the table? >> well we're going to meet this wednesday. i know the president didn't want to have an east hutchins, but i think it's very important that our government is designed to find compromise. i want to find a reasonable and responsible way that we can lift the debt ceiling, and take control of this runaway spending. >> okay, so you need to give us the news and back story on this. i take issue with the speaker saying i know the presid

washington correspondent moderator of "washington week" is here and former maryland congresswoman donna edwardsn almost see a physical reaction to reading this. it's not about which party controls the chamber, is it? >> no, not at all. i think the most disturbing appointments are the appointments to the rules committee because generally that is a committee that leadership controls in order to control what goes on the floor and when and how. and kevin mccarthy has essentially given up that ability to move things successfully to the floor and where this will play out, i think, first is on this debt ceiling issue. you know, try to move something that is contentious and making sure that it goes intact to the floor for passage and kevin mccarthy will not have any control over that and i think these other appointments on oversight committees are really disturbing as well because it will turn into, you know, just an investigatory food fight. the alliance with marjorie taylor greene and kevin mccarthy, it did make me smile a little bit because i think it is quite frankly a marriage made in heaven. kevi

congress member donna edwards. let's start with mick. did you stay up?day, wednesday and thursday. i couldn't handle it i came home on friday and watched on tv. nat fascinating. you think this would be worked out in back rooms. they could have shutdown the room but they could not agree on that it was messy i think kevin is right you judge by how it ends not how it begins. >> what do you think it means for -- i don't know if they will try to get anything done the republicans don't control the senate they can do other things, obviously. if someone -- if one person can challenge mccarthy's leadership, that doesn't mean he is at risk. all you can do is bring it up for a vote i don't know how awful that is >> that rule is in place for 240 years. the only speaker not to face that rule was nancy pelosi they will be playing defense not a bunch of great republican legislation passed into law in the congress there won't be any they will do the same thing when you are the minority party they will do the same as the democrats in 2018. you are playing defense. trying