pinched right now in a way he's following the loyalty to trump but outside the halls people are saying, hang him. >> right. and, donnae asked steel this question but i'm going to ask you this question. given mark meadows, what he's done over the last couple of weeks, first cooperating and not cooperating, is he trying to have it both ways? >> well, i don't even know that he's trying to have it both ways. what he's tlieg to do is get out of the hole that he dug for himself. turning over these documents i think as michael said means that the committee has those documents, they have him on film on his book tour, his book launch and they've got 250 witnesses and others who have also turned over documents. so what the committee is doing is putting together that proverbial holiday puzzle where eventually they're going to find that last piece that fits in the puzzle and so i think the committee is diligently just kind of doing their work and mark meadows, i did serve with him, he's proving himself to be not a really smart lawyer for one and not to be very smart in terms of his handling of his dealings with the committee bec