what do we think donna mccarthy. what do we think 7 donna mccarthy. what do we think ?n't need to happen? sorry, i'm here as the climate columnist for the independent, but actually addressing your question, it's really packed news. it's like, wow, why are we going back to the 19th century not never mind 20th century when we be investing in the we should be investing in the new or the new sweden its new energy or the new sweden its plough ahead with the coal free steel. that's where the new new economies are. and if we're going backwards , it's bad for going backwards, it's bad for britain. do we not have a am i wrong in thinking there's a little bit of a gap between renewables being able to fulfil the demands of energy, that philosophy is going to and so in the long run, tulloch is completely correct . the future completely correct. the future of the steel industry is based on electric power , but in the on electric power, but in the interim, we still have a steel industry that's using an awful lot of coking coal, which is the type of coal they're trying to mine in cumb

what do we think donna mccarthy. what do we think 7 donna mccarthy. what do we think ?n't need to happen? sorry, i'm here as the climate columnist for the independent, but actually addressing your question, it's really packed news. it's like, wow, why are we going back to the 19th century not never mind 20th century when we be investing in the we should be investing in the new or the new sweden its new energy or the new sweden its plough ahead with the coal free steel. that's where the new new economies are. and if we're going backwards , it's bad for going backwards, it's bad for britain. do we not have a am i wrong in thinking there's a little bit of a gap between renewables being able to fulfil the demands of energy, that philosophy is going to and so in the long run, tulloch is completely correct . the future completely correct. the future of the steel industry is based on electric power , but in the on electric power, but in the interim, we still have a steel industry that's using an awful lot of coking coal, which is the type of coal they're trying to mine in cumb

i'm delighted to say that donna mccarthy has made time to join us as well as gogglebox star and famouslover sandi bogle. hi hi . great to have you on the hi hi. great to have you on the show . listen, would you be show. listen, would you be willing to give up your dog , willing to give up your dog, save the planet ? you crazy? save the planet? you crazy? i know where that came . honestly know where that came. honestly as i said, i'm a true believer that god brought humans and animals this planet for a reason . and that is to be a companion to us . they do so much. are to us. they do so much. are loving companion. animal that's what. that's what. that's what i believe . that they are here for believe. that they are here for us . i believe. that they are here for us. i mean, look at the believe. that they are here for us . i mean, look at the lonely, us. i mean, look at the lonely, lonely people. peop hot in hospitals and the blind . come hospitals and the blind. come on, now. they're even dogs. they rescue us. come on. we have to . rescue us. come on. we have to. on the bigger scale of

i'm delighted to say that donna mccarthy has made time to join us as well as gogglebox star and famouslover sandi bogle. hi hi . great to have you on the hi hi. great to have you on the show . listen, would you be show. listen, would you be willing to give up your dog , willing to give up your dog, save the planet ? you crazy? save the planet? you crazy? i know where that came . honestly know where that came. honestly as i said, i'm a true believer that god brought humans and animals this planet for a reason . and that is to be a companion to us . they do so much. are to us. they do so much. are loving companion. animal that's what. that's what. that's what i believe . that they are here for believe. that they are here for us . i believe. that they are here for us. i mean, look at the believe. that they are here for us . i mean, look at the lonely, us. i mean, look at the lonely, lonely people. peop hot in hospitals and the blind . come hospitals and the blind. come on, now. they're even dogs. they rescue us. come on. we have to . rescue us. come on. we have to. on the bigger scale of

well, let's get more with our political editor donna mccarthy joining us once more at westminster. e of course, the speaker normally his council on political though i guess you could argue this is a constitutional issue for the speaker speaker. yeah, indeed. it would have , course, a big it would have, course, a big impact on the house of commons if labour's plan was to go through . and in many ways linda through. and in many ways linda oil is the custodian, isn't the of the house of commons. no this all relates to labour's announcement. gordon brown , announcement. gordon brown, remember him, the former prime minister and keir starmer released little earlier on this month. fact was as well month. fact i was there as well when made this manifesto or when they made this manifesto or commitment if you like to a degree labour say that they are going to look at where the commitment really lies in abolishing the second chamber. the unelected house lords, they're all communities. it's got two big so essentially eight members as they second largest legislative body in the world after the c

to come down to. >> it will also come down, to donna, i should say congressman edwards, this is also going to come down to speaker, hopefully speaker mccarthynds up getting that, it is going to come down to him needing every single vote in order to do this, and george santos, of course, that republican congressman-elect who is facing all sorts of allegations that he embellished his res na -- resume, he said he did that, i wonder about the risk of george santos, and supporting kevin mccarthy and still staying in congress. >> well, i mean look, i think he's going to be seated on tuesday. the question is, was his fate be that he will be gone that day? i think the challenge for kevin mccarthy is that in order to secure the votes that he needs, every single hour that he works to try to secure those votes, until tuesday, it means that he gets weaker and weaker by the hour. so whether or not he is seeing some of these rules changes are affect the, it will affect the entire tenancy of his speakership because he will sob weakened and held auj frankly by the members who either didn't support him or who demanded so many things of the incoming speaker.

mccarthy. someone who will not speak out against him because he wants his vote to be speaker. donnay way a congressional tenure ends for santos before the next election would be a criminal indictment. house precedent suggests that he would need to resign. but shy of that, the house has this very, you know, flexible policy of saying we trust people in home districts to elect the person they want. the house is not the administrator of whether or not they were lied to. there's a house with a very small margin over democrats. they probably will do nothing to defend him in two years. shy of an indictment, he may serve two years before new york's third district voters have a chance to vote him out. >> extraordinary. donna, you told nicolle wallace that the santos brand is actually now the republican brand. can you explain what you meant by that? >> it is. we started out, of course, with a president of the united states in the name of donald trump who lied his way into the presidency and continues that kind of falsehood, denying the election, and that has really become the brand of the rep

mccarthy ever getting that speakers gavel? >> yeah, as we speak on friday night here, just a few days before that election, a little bit after 8 pm, he still donna 's not have the votes. and he has got a problem. and he's continuing to work to get those votes. but the biggest problem for his is that the negotiation he would, make the ask of the people that he is dealing with is that he not be speaker. the people he needs to vote for him, the big thing they want, is for him to not be speaker. so, unless he can figure out how to untangle that gordian not or cut that gordian not he is not going to be the speaker. >> wow. and i will have my head off, i will be honest with you. jonathan allen, david fahrenthold, then you both for your reporting and that analysis. appreciate you both. thank you. coming up, trump's tax maneuvering helped him mostly get out of his american civic duty. but it does not mean he has escaped the law. the legal implications of all of this and the other investigations he is still facing, that is still coming up. and later on the show, how republicans spin george santos is -- not just basically fake resume basically fake entire

donna edwards, both msnbc contributors i don't know what to say anymore. to me this isn't really a story about lying liar-elect, a story about kevin mccarthy is sort of countsf this rising to a tier one problem for mccarthy what do you think, david jolly >> let's use the term fraud. george santos is an absolute fraud. the worst nightmare you meet on a dating app now elected to the united states congress to your point, look, politics is full of frauds, but he actually could be the deciding vote as to whether or not kevin mccarthy becomes speaker of the house the leader of the republican party, and kevin mccarthy is silent and his unwillingness to suggest, for instance, santos should not be seated is very telling. the adjacent story to george santos is that kevin mccarthy is trying to become speaker of the house and needs 218 votes and doesn't have it. nicolle, you and i, the week of the election talked about this, and i suggested, i don't think kevin mccarthy becomes speaker of the house i will tell you this week all of the momentum is on the side of steve scalise of louisiana so if you take this analysis further to the context of your question, it becomes,