. >> reporter: donna navy spent a decade investigating their attempt.ching a ride to san francisco and to freedom. >> there's no question in my mind. they were too brilliant to get down to the water and then get to the water and ask, what do we do now? drown? >> i always knew they made it but today i just had more of a feeling. >> reporter: although the family has no proof john and clarence anglin survived and are alive now 30 years later, they say an excon has reported seeing the brothers recently on a ranch the two own in brazil. and the family says, a funeral homeowner noticed two mysterious bearded men around before their father's funeral and -- >> that first christmas, my mom got a christmas card and my oldest sister got one. and j.w.'s girlfriend got one. it was signed joe and jerry. family knew joe and jerry. >> it's kind of hard to tell because you just got them on your mind and you just wonder if they are really alive or if you just want to think they are. i don't know that they made it. i never heared from them myself directly but i hope they