present public research university people, and probably the most passionately frustrated of them was donna shalala at the private university in florida but is the past president in the university of wisconsin. and she said, you know, it was so much easier to roam the department which is huge the and the university of wisconsin because i had power there. i could do something. at a public university people don't understand this. we don't have any power. we are just tugboat captains and all that we can try to do is push and pull and persuade. so why was thinking about that together with some of the ones that have run into real problems it wasn't an accident what happened it wasn't just a failure of communication and the board. was about a structural difficulty about should the campus -- should it be free to do many different things and have a lot more dependence and set the tradition differently than the others? and the system saying no, you are abandoning us and this happened more it's probably no accident at the little liberal arts school but in oregon the president went a little further but got in