and it immediately -- and immediately donna shalala was quoted as saying, "we are not secretaries!"i don't know -- lastly, congratulations on running in rhode island, our dear friend cathy just made it into the state senate there. susan, we are going to leave it there. running out of time. jennifer lawless? guest: the thing i would note is when there are already elected usices, it is incumbent on to identify candidates who would be excellent for whatever position they would be. there are no educational credentials or income requirements, especially for lower offices. what i would tell people, if there is an issue you care about and you think you or somebody you know would be an excellent candidate, don't worry about their backgrounds. encourage them to run. that is the best way to breed a successful campaign. he final thing i would say, if people decide not to run for office after making a conscious decision and weighing the costs and benefits, that's fine. a lot of people choose certain professions over others. but the fundamental problem i see is that women are systematically less