to a donnie and marie song, but this is what i chose today.arrell and miley together. it is called, not come get it, babe. "come get it bae." ♪ ♪ ♪ come get it, bae ♪ come get it, bae ♪ come get it, bae ♪ come get it, bae ♪ come get it, bae ♪ come get it, bae ♪ come get it, bae >> wow. >> here it comes. ♪ motorcycle you've got to like it ♪ ♪ i've got to ride pop a wheelie ♪ >> here it comes. ♪ ♪ cause girl i like you you know it's going to be a hit, right? they need something to rhyme with crush. >> donnie's got a point. >> who is that? >> pharrell. pharrell an miley cyrus. >> i love it. >> yes. >> that's a smash. >> if it is pharrell, i love it anyway. >> your motorcycle. >> really? >> yes. >> oh, come on. >> you got to lose -- ♪ [ laughter ] ♪ >> go stay in your corner. >> all righty. coming up, is your dog talented? >> you sent in crazy pet videos and we're going it to show you one. >> and a day with donny osmond. all about it, he's got great musical taste. right after this. >> all righty then. >> wow. >> i love that song. ♪ little bit coun

little donny deutsche going on! >> no! not even close to donny deutsche.ou've got like pimp my ride like beads there and s&m. >> i can't believe we are going here already. are we going here? >> they all have children meaning. >> sensitive. >> it's all children's stuff. are we going to show my instagrams tonight? >> women see the bracelets and they know that donny cares. >> thank you. >> and then they go on his instagram account and they know he is one -- >> i haven't seen his instagram. >> and my dogs and puppies are children. >> one on your account was so bad we couldn't show you had your two little girls right below your pecs. it was disgusting. we are going to have to raise the level. >> i agree. >> we have somebody else here, right? somebody else? >> there must be! >> in washington, staff writer with "the hill" we want to apologize, elise. >> no problem. >> here is the good news, elise. you had to sit through all of that. that is the bad news. the good news is you don't have to sit on set with donny deutch. >> it just means i can't see the bracelets, j

donnie.> donnie and marie. >> i get top billing. >> i get last word. >> whatever. >> and those two have been entertaining audiencesince they were kids. and now they're bringing their humor and a little holiday cheer to our area. marie osmond is here in our studios to tell us when you can join them. stay with us, we'll bri bac >>> i'm kristen wright at the live desk. right now protesters are gathering outside of a police station near st. louis. they want answers as to why a police officer shot and killed an unarmed black teenager, michael brown, saturday in ferguson, missouri. tensions there are high and here's the police chief moments ago. >> right now it's threats. we're getting threatening phone calls and e-mails and that kind of thing. but so far -- i mean last night we were shot at on a couple of occasions, but at this point the threats are just threats. >> and this just in. the fbi is now taking over the investigation into brown's death. at the live desk, i'm kristen wright. >> thank you

i told donnie let's go do a christmas show.uge success, we did it in new york and tweaked it from there dancers and the set footage and old footage you have been seen before. and donnie is going to be there too. >> you were talking about tweaking it i don't oh, him? you know him? >> why isn't it the marie ask donnie show. >> he gets top billing. >> and i say that's fine. i get last word. >> maybe it went with age. >> he is old sneer is the show different? >> you know the reviews have been really wonderful. our show in vegas we were supposed to be there six weeks, we are now there six years. voted three years in a row now best show in vegas. we have incorporated some of the el. but really this is a very different show. if you have seen the show there, this is holiday. a few things you have to do like some of your lights. >> absolutely but it is christmas. >> it is a fantastic show. it really is fun. i think it is my favorite show i do with my brother. >>> do you have people who enjoy watching your brothers and then seeing little

bit better so there is more accidental gameplay. >> today, donnie's ratings have helped donnie makeden look so good, the franchise has sold over 100 million units. but sometimes layers disagree. >> i have a problem with it. i know i play better. >> where do they get these numbers from? >> active on twitter, donnie is willing to take feedback from coaches, and especially players about ratings. know, you have an 80% completion percentage. at 214,technicals are despite having jj wants -- we are trained to capture that, right? you cannot be handing out lollipops to every team and player. >> not even to the highest rated player in the game. separate i can see this now. i will go to denver. he will come in. great guy. well, peyton, i'm sorry, this year you are at 36. you are 30 years old. i am not going to be the one who tells peyton that. >> while anyone else would be wide to hang out with receivers and pro bowlers, donnie only cares about making madden a great video game. >> i love the football of session that is bloomberg news's matt miller. we will be back to talk more about hp and au

plus, amy and donny channel the music world for a big annoyancement. >> i want to do it like beyonce. >> the news behind the performance. >> a nice sense of humor. walked in to a mcdonald's and discovereden an extraordinary burger with heaps of jalapeños... ...for only two dollars. within minutes, they had also discovered the phenomenon of "economnomnomics" nomnom... nom? nom nom the jalapeño double, try it now for just $2 on mcdonald's dollar menu and more. it's economnomnomcial. ♪ nom...nom...nom... >>> four-wheeling fun in perth, australia. this is powerline road, big clear area. woman up in the truck, up ahead, didn't check the depth of the water for her didn't do a good job. watch this. >> woah! >> truck is swamped. >> oh. >> right down into some deep enough water that it just chokes out the engine. >> like they were prepared for this, a truck with a towline to wheel her in. >> sure, support system and friends to get her out. >> get me out. >> the car is pretty much wrecked, right? can't salvage it, can you? >> of course you can, not needily. the engine took in water, but the guy

plus, amy and donny channel the music world for a big annoyancement. >> i want to do it like beyonce. >> the news behind the performance. >> a nice sense of humor. >>> four-wheeling fun in perth, australia. this is powerline road, big clear area. woman up in the truck, up ahead, didn't check the depth of the water for her didn't do a good job. watch this. >> woah! >> truck is swamped. >> oh. >> right down into some deep enough water that it just chokes out the engine. >> like they were prepared for this, a truck with a towline to wheel her in. >> sure, support system and friends to get her out. >> get me out. >> the car is pretty much wrecked, right? can't salvage it, can you? >> of course you can, not needily. the engine took in water, but the guys open the air box, and the air intake is dripping with water, water is in the engine, will take work to dry it out, but the truck was not a loss, not at all. she was fortunate to have people help her out as well as this guy, brad. this tree does not go down at first. keeps cutting. >> i have a feeling the tree is going to go where he doesn'

, i know where you're going, donny. made great, great -- over the past 50, 60 years we've made great strides. but in this area, the criminal justice system. if your kid gets busted for weed, african-american kid gets busted for weed. your kid is off. the african-american, he could be in jail for five -- there is an uneven application of crime and punishment in america based on the color of skin. right wing bloggers, you can be pissed off with me if you want to, it's just numbers it really is. you can look numerically joe klein at the numbers and black males, they're so much worse in the system. and this, even if we don't look at who has the money, to have the lawyers. >> you've got to look at reality, too. this is a very complicated situation. first of all, there are two competing stories about what actually happened. part of the problem we have in having a conversation about this in this country -- i've done a lot of reporting in neighborhoods like this when african-americans look in a situation, they see a metaphoric

donny hathaway and leon russell wrote it. but donny hathaway is the one who kind of owns that song.ank john for being here, bringing your gears. there you go. ♪[ music ] >>> good morning, everybody, welcome to bay sunday. i am your host roberta gonzalez, i'm filling in for frank, who is probably golfing at some pristine golf course around the bay yeah on this beautiful sunday. we begin this morning, if you have a show idea, we would love to hear from you. go to facebook.com/bay sunday, and comment on our page. we'll kick start our program, stage right, stage right is an arts and education organization that uses theater to build literacy, skills, community and self-esteem with elementary school children. and through this wonderful experience children engage and and inspire us to learn. >> and av

. >> meet donnie moore, the ratings czar. his rankings take nfl players from the field to the game.h the 32 nfl teams, 74 players per team, plus 250 free agents and 50 legends -- that is 2668 players which he designs a rating of up to 100 in 64 different categories. scores he creates using data from game performance, team stats, and his own notes. >> i want the game to look like an nfl game. i don't want to put something in which you give a guy a one speed, he is out there inching along. >> exploiting bad player ratings on ea's old ncaa football games is how donnie got his job at madden. >> i had this move -- you can just spam the button. i can probably fine-tune the process so there is no accidently gameplay mistakes that makes someone better than they should be. >> today, his ratings have helped ea make madden look so good, the franchise has sold over 100 million units. sometimes players disagree. >> i have a problem with that. i know i have gotten better. the same rating? that is so disrespectful. >> where do they get these numbers from? >> active on twitter, he is willing to tak

isactive on twitter, donny willing to take feedback from fans, coaches, and especially players about his ratings. >> there is a reason these guys are nfl players and stars. it is a reason that the 99th overall on the team -- hwe are trying to capture that. >> not even to the highest rated player in the game. >> i go to denver, and peyton manning will come in and i will be super honored, i've never met the man, he is a great guy, but, ton, you are down 86, you are 38 years old. >> while anybody else would be focused on hanging out with pro bowl quarterbacks and wide receivers, donny only cares about making madden 15 a great videogame. now.tt miller joins me it is a shame you are not here during the commercial break. what do you think? >> it looks awesome. there are new features this year that looked pretty amazing that take the game into different level as far as realism. tattoos will look exactly the same, all of his touches, because ea sports went to his tattoo artist and asked for the rights to use those tattoos in the game. sherman will do this when he blocks the catch. it is so r

meet donnie moore, the ratings are. from the field to the game.o whom he assigns a rating up to 100 and 54 different categories like string, speed, and catching. using data from team performance , team stats and his own notes. >> we want the team to look like the nfl team. we do not want to put something in if you give him one speed he is inching along. the old ncaa football games is how he got his job. can push this. i was like we could probably find him this process a little bit better. helpedhe ratings have electronic arts make madden look so good the franchise has sold over 100 million units. sometimes players disagreed. >> i know i have gotten better. >> active on twitter, donnie is really to take it back from fans, gamers, coaches and especially players about his rating. there is a reason that i am 80% completion. the reason why texans went to enter 14 despite having jj watt. they're trying to capture that. we cannot the handing out lollipops to every high rated player. >> not even to the highest rated player in the game. >> i can see i will

. >> reporter: we met three neighborhood protesters, donnie, trey, and luciano. >> we're tired of being looked as as another species. it ain't even like we're human. >> reporter: they say ferguson stores were burned and looted for a reason. >> i don't condone it but i understand why they doing it, throwing stuff at the police because they're throwing stuff at us. >> i wanted to go down there and loot, too. i wanted to go. but i held my ground. >> it ain't no black and white thing. it's the police against the people thing. >> exactly. >> it ain't black and white because there are white people out here with us. >> reporter: donnie and trey are working musicians. luciano is going to technical school but all have had run-ins with the law. in ferguson, the unemployment rate for 20- to 24-year-old black men is 46%. >> to be honest, i feel like if they don't-- if they don't come and restore these neighborhoods for these people, like, we have to travel miles to go to wal-mart and to get gas and stuff like that, when they used to be right here in the community for people who stay here there's go

everybody wants to see donny's beautiful wife. >> you sit down here. >> see?each other that nobody would do an interview in our home. >> such a bad experience, you said never again. >> $20, i needed the 20 bucks. >> it sounds so funny when i did it, at our house, over our fireplace there is a picture of me, a painting, holding cody. over their fireplace is jesus and a lamb. there's the difference right there. >> congratulations on 36 years. >> broadway or go to dinner? >> i don't know. what are we doing? >> i don't know what we're doing. do you have a suggestion. >> go see "a gentleman's guide to love and murder." it is hysterical. there is lots of good stuff, but that one. >> thank you for the good recommendation. when the new album comes out, come back. >> absolutely. >> put some good music on there. ♪ we're gonna get it baby ♪ get it baby >> time to give frozen's princess a run for her money. >> sick of it. >> what? >>. ♪ best day of my life my budget used to be a real downer, even when we needed stuff for the home. i was a negative nancy. but, thanks to fi

, christine and donnie, you have won the patel of the block. >> head of household frankie decided itant to make a big move, turn on the detonators and get somebody out of the house who has been bad for my game since the begin. >> and his showmance with zach paid the price. >> have a seat. >> totally alone in the game donnie tried to turn christine against her own alliance. >> in some way zach stayed, that would be someone that might be useful

donny had an accident. we are praying for you, donny. driverless cars are expected to hit the streets. should your robot driver kill you to save a driver's life? he imagines the saw scenario. your driverless vehicle approaches a tunnel and your driver goes in a tunnel. the car has to decide to run over the child or run into the side of the tunnel killing you. there is the third option stay home and die alone and let your pets eat you. it is called the andy levy option. who should program how a car would act? >> i am old and fine expru all dyeing in car crashes. >> you know what, we are not dying alone. >> that's enough. >> you said there are three options. there is a fourth. >> what? >> superman can save you. that's about as realistic as the rest of the story. >> you don't believe a story that a robot would make -- >> you don't believe superman is real? >> i believe superman is real, but robots would make these choices. it is like the jetson's. i don't know. >> i think the cars will make the choice and i am so happy because it removes al

but i want you to close out with one of my favorites, "a song for you," by donny hathaway.kind of owns that song. so i want to thank you, john, for being here, bringing your many gifts. there you go. . [ ♪ ] . [ ♪ ] . [ ♪ ] . [ ♪ ] . [ ♪ ] . [ ♪ ] . [ ♪ ] idea......we would love to from you. go to facebook d . >> welcome to the bay, everyone. we begin with our pitch. if you have a show idea we would love to hear from you. go to facebook.com/baysunday. our first guess is a minister that is guiding people through periods of transition and published a book called "how do you play." she spoke to activists, lovers of humanity to get their word on how they chun -- communicate with their god. she spoke to 129 different people. here is the

she put them in a box and gave it to donnie williams asking him to return it to johnny williams. this is after she was interviewed and investigation began about all the gifts. she had a note in the box that thanked johnny williams for letting her borrow the dresses. that note is why she's charged with obstruction. we are back tomorrow with mayor sesums from virginia beach being cross examined by the defense. >> thank you. >>> the virginia man behind robin williams' oscar nominated role in good morning vietnam says the star was always on and he suspects that that was his way of hiding that inner torment. talked with adrian from his new home. >> good morning vietnam! >> adrian crowner was the real one behind the movie. he says he never dreamed robin williams would take his life. >> i was gob smacked. >> for years he's offered this insight. >> he is really a very shy bashful introverted person, yeah, and he does all these routines and imitations to build a wall around himself so you can never get through to hurt the real robin. >> he would just launch into this stick. >> we've got a

>> i have not heard his response, but there are a lot of players who tweet donny and say, come on, doge a better score. especially the guys who apparently have the lowest ratings in any one segment of the game. they always tweet him and try to take him out for drinks and get him loaded. he is really committed. we will take a quick break. when we come back, the inside story of the activist investor behind the scenes in the board room discussion. that is coming up next. you do not want to miss it here on "in the loop here: loop." ♪ >> just out this morning, investment funds and jin capital and red alder have approached and taylor's parent company about a sale of the company to gain more money for shareholders. that is the name of the game. the move is just one of several examples of big-money investors gaining power to gain greater corporations. i would like to welcome the harvard business school partnerr and a venture and village ventures cofounder bo peabody is still with us. bill, welcome. let me ask you, just chatting about bo about this in the break, it seems like a lot of activist

donnie? as i back away. common. >> i'm giving 100 bucks. >> she didn't mention our names? >> mike, jen and sue, thank goodness. >> so marilyn opted out of the challenge. she giving a hundred bucks. >> she didn't do it. >> so -- >> well, mike is on vacation, but here he is, here's mike jerrick. >> you know, marilyn, i would be happy to take that challenge, as you know, know, i'm on vacation, where would i get a bucket of ice water? or i would be happy to do it. >> mike? >> oh, thank you, carol. >> welcome. >> oh, ya. well, then there is that. >> okay, i guess i am going to have to do this. but, before i do it, i challenge our new co-host, alley to do this. >> oh, i will ' except that challenge. >> what? >> oh, ya. >> since you can't do it, aim going to do it. >> back to you. >> i don't like you. >> oh. alex and mike together. >> but guess what? this was the second attempt of the first time didn't go so smoothliment look at this. >> challenge our new co-host on good day philadelphia, alex holley to do the challenge. how about that? ahh! >> that's not the way it works. oh, oh

how many people are in a position to buy your neighbor's house. >> donny let's you blast your music. your people in allentown. >> i knew everybody on street. yeah. i think in suburbia you do. in new york city i don't know my neighbors. i know all the dogs. so miles lives next door and then there was a giant saint bernard rocky but he sadly passed away. i don't know the names of the owners. >> i don't know the names of any of my neighbors now. >> i bet they know yours. >> i bet they do. i remember when i was a kid i did. i remember everybody in rehab with me. >> who is your office neighbor. >> i don't go to my office. >> i'm his office neighbor. >> dana and i used to have the same office. she moved out. >> i can't imagine why. >> i know you're in your office because i hear you coughing. >> correct. >> all right. 30 what. i thought you said you got a tease. i can tease. folks this is television, one more thing is up next. ♪ [ male announcer ] when you see everyone in america almost every day, you notice a few things. like the fact that you're pretty attached to these. ok, really attach

. >> announcer: previously on "big brother" -- the detonators had donny in their sites. >> i just reallynny home. >> that's logical. >> after zach intel spilled the beans about the secret alliance. >> four weeks ago there's an eye lines, me, derrick, cody, christine and frankie. >> he panicked about his betrayal and tried to cover his tracks. >> but derrick's interrogation revealed the truth. >> i just want to know -- >> i lied to you and told you she said it in case she told you that you would think it came from her and not m

thought, oh, i'll nail him on that, and he'll be like [bleeped], it's the end of the road for old donnie rumsfeld, but i didn't. >> it didn't work? i don't think you can blame yourself for, that though. honestly. i'm just here to make you feel good about yourself. >> jon: can i just keep you around. >> i'll just whisper in your ear when you're feeling bad. >> jon: i feel like if i shake you, it will snow. it will snow. i'll keep you in a little globe, elizabeth, i just don't know what's going on with me, shook, shook, shook. >> i think you're doing great, jon. >> jon: thank you. that's very nice. what are we going to talk about, the one i love. >> comes out on august 27th. >> jon: we can't tell you the twist, but it's quite good. >> it's a relationship comedy about married couple going through hard time. ted danison plays a therapist and sends them away for the weekend and hijinks ensue. >> jon: but very entertaining hijinks. >> no, no, really awesome hijinks. >> jon: elizabeth moss, ladies and gentlemen. so i get invited to quite a few family gatherings. heck, i saved judith here a fort

. >> announcer: but donny would say worried it would hurt his game. >> i didn't come across the countrysed up. >> at the live eviction. >> julie: time for the live voting to begin. >> america got denied. >> i vote to evict amber. >> donny made the cheer she not on board with this mission or team america affects his game. >> amber got the boot. >> julie: you are evicted from

. >> donnie want admission to save his own behind. >> you can just send her home before me and send merica would prefer a play instead. >> we can put on a play and get five thousand dollars. >> i think my mission would have been better. what do y'all think, america? >> with two outsiders on the block. >> i'm sitting alone block next to my best friend in the house, donnie, and at this point i have to do what it takes to save myself. >> donee seemed l

it sounds like a laundromat type of situation that they donny need the papers they just do it is that your experience from talking to these people? as far as the treatment. >> that if they look like they've been not be documented. >> that is interesting because new york state it has to be the 1070 law to obligate the police however they are doing the exact same thing and the state troopers maybe not the 1070 but under operations to guard which they get funds from a department of homeland security then you have the collaboration between police and border control which is called a force multiplier. you see that a lot. >> how far does that extent? >> with border patrol? 100 miles. into the interior. look at the contours' of the country it covers two-thirds of the population they're obviously not in the york city but they were not there either/or not in rochester. so things could change. >> in 1998 there wasn't any border patrol agents. now you talk about how many there are. would ensure point? because in 1990 thousands were coming up here. -- think we should have done nothing about it? t

using the country's military to destroy the caliphate a social legitimate expert on iraq femi at my donny says british army and support of the rebels in neighboring syria has an effect spurred on the jihadists in iraq this is something. the british so talk about. when this started funding. groups said to you over ten. years for about sixteen billion dollars and some estimates iraqis. and within the context of syria. figures are not available but certainly. tens of millions of pounds on be paid. to the same as i sit here basically it's open to all the separatists organization these terrorist organizations will create . used by by the worst of it including including britain and as the british leader calls for more involvement in iraq let's take a look at what the previous campaign cost there were forty six thousand british troops deployed to the country around one hundred eighty of them were killed the government expected to spend two point five billion pounds but the actual cost turned out to be more than three times higher most of that spending when dingy the military with only just five

. >> hinojosa: ( laughing ) >> donnie and marie. >> hinojosa: well, which one do you... >> elvis was my first musical hero, that's for sure. and then i spent the year in texas with my father, who had a restaurant in ventura... in amarillo, so i had a lot of free time, and so i was able to do what a lot of young american boys and maybe some girls, too, did-- standing in front of a mirror trying to do elvis from watching him on tv. >> hinojosa: oh, how cute! >> yeah, me-- a little chinese kid with a ukulele from the discount store! >> hinojosa: oh, my god! >> so i learned a song, and... yeah. and so i would do elvis-- "i beg of you," or "treat me nice," or "teddy bear," "don't be cruel." nowadays, i perform it... perform elvis in person in front of a live band every month in san francisco. >> hinojosa: you are just working like crazy. i mean, you could be, essentially, retired, taking it easy, putting your feet up... >> i wish, i wish. yeah, right. nope, instead i work, yeah. >> hinojosa: okay, will you sing dean martin for me, then? >> dan martin you want? oh, okay. >> hinojosa: let's

kind of sparked my career larry bird and donnie walsh they help me out a lot and the second would be the training because because of the brawl and i just of it would be an amazing story to want to championship in the trade good for that city to add dein fifty five who's the weirdest most interesting teammate you have a play with the way it is most interesting to me i guess in the run i said. he was pretty we had i. had bill did jesus have been twenty nine would you become an n.b.a. coach oh definitely i think i'm going to be a coach one day. hopefully you know. if i apply for it be a job owners can see past you know metta world peace and you know you know technicals. got a lot at j.d. hirsch will phil jackson eventually coach the next. well now that he got derek fisher no i thought if he brought in another culture he would definitely close next but he has to make in may who would a dream team of n.b.a. players consist of if you were able to make your own team dream team asking roberts and. larry bird shaquille o'neal michael jordan and tim duncan le bron yet. i mean yeah game of if y

. >> meet donny moore, madden's ratings czar. nfl teams, 74 players per team, plus 253 agents, that is 2688 players which he designs a rating for up to 100 and 64 different categories. scores he creates using data from the game performance, team stats, and his own notes. >> we want to game to look like an nfl game. i do want to put something in where you give a guy once bead, he is out there inching along. >> he did ratings on his old videogame is how we got his job at madden. >> you can spam this one button. i can probably find to the process so there is more gameplay. >> today, his ratings have helped ea make madden look so good, the franchise has sold over 100 million units. >> touchdown! >> but sometimes players disagree. >> i have a problem with that. i know i have gotten better. they give me the same rating, that is so disrespectful. >> he is willing to take feedback from fans, gamers, coaches, and especially players about his ratings. >> there is a reason these guys are nfl players and stars. there was also a reason they a

1970 daytona 500, not because richard petty won but on the final lap of the race, cale yarborough and donny allison went to blows. the first daytona 500 broadcast live on national television. even though nascar has grown, driver confrontations have continued. tony stewart has been involved in moarnz his -- more than his share. stewart threw his helmet at ken seth as he drove by. busch walked out of his car, towards spencer's car. these incidents do not portray the typical actions of drivers but there has been so many similar incidents through years tony there are so many to remember them as simply part of the auto racing moment. >> teaching lesson here. aaron hernandez is back. the former patriot is charged with three murders. blackberry phone, they argued the phone was not listed on the search warrant and the judge has not issued a ruling. >>> parents who have adopted children from the democratic republic of congo. and ali velshi, on "real money." >> when we're talking about oil prices in america, the small hipster startups jumping in and creating startups. all that on "real money." >> al

about that juror dismissed we are left with two alternates with sin the trial and donnie williams, the brother of johnny williams, was on the stand today. i will tell you about that coming up at 6:00. back to you. >> wow, a lot went on today. thank you. joining us with more insight is criminal defense attorney barack cowen senior counsel. >> thank you. >> the big talk obviously mentioned there, a juror dismissed. what do you make of this? >> it could mean anything. we would be speculating. it could be a juror having some sort of family problem or maybe the juror did something improper. we can't say. >> we will not find out during the trial why? >> we are not going to find out. >> why? >> jurors are not supposed to say anything. after trial he might choose to will find anything after. >> government owlsly methodically making its defense. how do you think they're doing chipping away at the witness testimony. >> on the whole they're doing a good job. the dynamic is like boxers jabbing. i don't think either style is scoring body blows. the government is making its case and defense is chipp