convention argument that william julius wilson made, that it was the lack of economic opportunity that led to crime and other problems of the inner city, i think mr. donovan has started to rebut that. and i would add that what we saw in the great depression was an economic catastrophe that fortunately we still have not repeated to that full extent. but horrible joblessness, worklessness, poverty. and crime was very low. whereas in the 1960s, you had a very robust economy, and crime started going through the roof. so crime really is a cultural issue. it's about the rule of law, whether people have been given the values to respect the rule of law, whether they have the family orientation of that self-control and deferred gratification and the family structure that will say, no, you do not steal just because you want something. so i -- you know, we're all agreeing very heavily on this panel. but i still think the message is not out there enough that family structure is the most important thing. and america is suffering from it more than other european countries. and i think that unless we can figure out a way to rebuild the family at all income structures, w