at that point i begin to try, first, to read what there is in available literature about richard doreen, but then it's kind of like a treasure map to go from one person to another person or one document to another document. so you're trying to first penetrate richard greene's inner circle who knew him, who could tell me about him. the case had been taken up by all these amateur sleuths who saw this case as a real life mystery that was greater than anything which conan doyle had invented. so they were all working the case in their own way. and that allowed me both to try to follow them and make sense of their discoveries as they investigated, and it also allowed me -- which i try to do in these stories -- is to try to go into a world that you wouldn't ordinarily see. a subculture, a hidden world. and in this case who knew there were these people who were utterly obsessed and fanatical about sherlock holmes and conan doyle. >> there's no sense -- [inaudible] finish can you explain? >> yes. again, who knew there were two clubs, one who pretend that conan doyle does not exist, and, therefor