in particular, i heard that dorian johnson was interviewed for quite some time and that interview int was referred to in front of the grand jury, it wasn't given to the grand jury. and it certainly wasn't -- or rather it wasn't released with the documents that we've seen. so that perhaps is what we will be seeing. i think it's important at this point for us to see everything, because quite frankly, so many people have, you know, read a lot of these documents and have found some of the story to be incomplete, myself included. so i would like to see all of the documents. >> don lemon, what she's talking about is dorian johnson is the young man walking with michael brown when the police officer stopped them and there is this report, ksdk, one of the tv stations there in the ferguson, missouri area in st. louis county, they said that one of the fbi interviews with dorian johnson, maybe two hours, was not released. this may now be released. i guess it's important to try to see if there were deviations, changes in his eyewitness account of what happened raising questions about his credibil

it's a difficult process. >> going back to this dorian johnson testimony, mel.r forget that he had that and not release it. >> ha. well, i find his claim that he inadvertently left out 2 fbi interview with dorian to just not be believable. we had march this is weekend, we've had tremendous criticism, this was an eyewitness that was actually with michael brown and the officer when the initial altercation took place so i find that to be suspicious. but building on what joey said, the take away for me is basically this -- you've got 29 eyewitnesses, 16 of which say that they've got their hands up. what we've been saying all along is that what's problematic about the way the case was presented is that you don't have prosecutors or defense attorneys really sanitizing the evidence. as joey said, one person said he was on his knees. was he stumbling? was he not? it's interesting they're questioning witnesses that are positive for michael brown but not questioning witnesses and destroying their testimony that are positive for the police officers. so what's becoming clea

why is the fbi lengthy interview with dorian johnson not released?t question but here is what the local authorities say. they're in the midst of a federal investigation. you know that federal investigation deals with separate issues. >> right. >> there was a stay at issue whether he should be indicted, darren wilson for second-degree, manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter. the civil rights investigation focuses on the officer's intent. did he intend to deprive him of civil rights. in the midst of an investigation the fbi will say these are fbi documents, they relate to fbi interviews, we're in the midst of the investigation, we don't want to impair it in any way. we're withholding the documents >> will we get them ever? >> i think we will and do. the important question, what light does it shine upon the issue? unfortunately the more documents released because while we didn't get that interview, we got several other interviews and the autopsy report and it continues -- >> consistent with the others. >> it was and even when we talk about it being cons

and dorian johnson was the closest witness -- >> he was there. walking together and in the convenience store together. >> together. and also too, when you promise you are going to give all of the information and even if you don't, in the law we have something you can give what is called a privileged law, you can say i'm going to give you everything but keeping this back without telling us what it is. so they could have done that and they failed to do that as well. >> and again, are you shocked by the amount, hundreds of pages? >> i'm not shocked. nothing about this surprised me. as we watch how the process unrolled, we continue not to have any confidence in the prot he is that -- in the process that took place and this family continues to ask for a special prosecutor. it can come from the chief judge of that circuit or from the governor who has refused. >> who has so far refused. and paul, hundreds of people are looking at this. and why not include the fbi interview with dorian johnson who was the one person who was right there, right next to mic

this all started with dorian johnson lying his head off saying he was shot in the back. he was shot in the back and changed his story repeatedly to try to catch up with the physical evidence. and he never quite made it. and then you look at witness 10, witness 14, who saw what happened and said immediately crowds formed and they started with the urban myth about shot in the back and all the rest of it. >> let me jump in. you see the protesters here on screen left. >> yes. >> they were here in times square, now they are marching to the west side highway, which is a main thoroughfare here in manhattan. you can see look at the beautiful buildings. normally there would be a lot of traffic there if i see what i think i see. yes, i do. and this is -- so they're over there to make a point. this is a group of folks you were just out there marching with, michael. >> yes. >> what is the point? >> to exercise our first amendment right. we know our justice system's flawed. anyone to look me in the eyes and say it's perfect, we see guy who is are convicted and killed and then later o

. >> reporter: dorian johnson remained consistent. he was with brown at the time of the shooting.y identical hands up version of what happened. >> he shot again and once my friend felt that shot, he turned around and put his hands in the air and started to get down, fwu officer still approached with his weapon drawn and he fired several more shots. >> 62 witnesses total. did the one that is were credible have the same version? >> no. it's important to learn as we piece through the testimony. >> reporter: josh led the project of going through all the documents made public. >> most of them were doing their best to say what they remember. they do not have one joint narrative as to what happened. >> reporter: was too much information presented to the grand jury? should the process have been done differently? if so, could it have led to a different outcome? cnn, chicago. >> a lot to talk about. mark and sonny are joining us. sunny is a former pr. sunny, is it common for a number of witnesses to have testimony then shown to be inaccurate or not telling the truth? >> it is not common. it

what about the people that testified like dorian johnson who said michael brown had his hands up, oh, we were just minding our own business. all he did was lie when he made those reports. do you think you could pursue perjury charges in this case? >> i'm not sure. that would be -- obviously that's going to be up to the prosecuting attorneys office to look into that. we're very focused on getting all the violent criminals that went through our community the other night. >> yeah. a lot of other comments were made that i would argue and even lieutenant governor peter kinder is going to join us later had to do with the stepfather of michael brown saying burn this -- down leading into the events of last week. my question is, do you believe those comments should be pursued? is that inciting a riot? >> we are pursuing those comments. and there's a lot of discussion going on about that right now. i real ri can't get into that at this time. >> is there an atmosphere or maybe a group in law enforcement, maybe in the prosecutor's office arguing that we should just let it die, but wouldn't that j

if there is one witness that has been discredited it's been dorian johnson. and the sad thing is that has become the symbol. >> and reports said you can't rule out what his arms were doing. it doesn't seem there is a definitive answer. >> when you listen to what michael said, who was hired by the brown family and came in and spoke on his first autopsy or his first discussion of this, he said all indications are from the front and the medical examiner said they are all from the front. only one person didn't say they are all from the front and he didn't do the autopsy. i think the forensic evidence and forensic evidence disputes that argument. they have a right to make that statement. i don't challenge the right to make a statement but there are consequences and they need to understand that. if they really wanted to make a statement, why haven't they been up in ferguson. i have been in ferguson. i haven't seen them. if they really want to make a statement about unity, why aren't they up there? >> thank you very much, neil. i do, to that point for our viewers, i

of course, we know dorian johnson was with michael brown at the time he got shot. the statement appears to be consistent. that is what, we told the fbi appears to be consistent with what he said to the grand jury and it's interesting because you can look at different witnesses and you can say one of two things. either "a" they're fabricating, or either "b" they're being truthful and that's their perception of events. for example, when johnson says i believe michael brown got shot in the back, he says that when they press him, poppy, based upon the actions of michael brown. like what? like michael brown spinning around. >> but not all witnesses from what these documents show us, on either side, were completely honest at all. that's what this is showing us. both sides had people who lied. >> you know what's interesting, because -- i don't know if that's that they lied or if it's that their perceptions were such that -- >> okay, important point. >> right. that their perceptions were such, so, for example, with dorian johnson, he didn't say he saw the bullet go in. he

and the testimony of brown's friend dorian johnson was not released. johnson, an eyewitness, maintains wilson provoked the violence. >>> demonstrators protested the decision not to indict darren wilson another police officer. an interstate was shut down as well as a local train station. christin ayers of our san francisco affiliate ktix reports. >> reporter: protesters lock arms blocking interstate 80 on bay bridge preparing to march on the bay bridge on the third day of protests that have spanned across the city of berkley. officers were quick to respond blocking off a foot bridge over the freeway. for a brief moment, our cameras were caught between the skirmish lines and the protesters. officers using their batons to fight hundreds of protesters back a short distance away. the point where protesters tried to walk on the freeway, they actually stopped several amtrak trains from moving. and going directly on the tracks here, they're putting their hands up and standing in the way of the train continuing here. as officers in riot gear blocked the freeway

previously secret documents have been released including the transcript of an interview that dorian johnsonend who was with brown, when he was killed by an officer, had with the fbi days after the shooting. that interview is consistent with others johnson did including his testimony before the grand jury. in them, johnson says officer darren wilson grabbed michael brown, that brown was shot while running away from wilson and that brown's hands were up when he was shot. >>> this morning, thousands of churches across the country are taking part in black lives matter sunday. in some churches, are asking people to show their solidarity with them by wearing all black clothes, bringing a picture of a loved one lost to violence, participating in a prayer vigil, committed to doing follow-up call with an elected official tomorrow and possibly pledging to participate in a five-point plan to form a sick circle of protection. >> pastor mike mcbride in berkeley, california, and pastor chris beard of people's church, cincinnati, joining us now. gentlemen, thank you for being with us. we appreciate it. we

dorian johnson, the city of st. louis's newest employee.which is listed as a temporary position pays about $8.50 an hour. grand jury documents show many variations about whether brown's hands were actually raised right before he was shot dead. >> a new dress code has montana lawmakers fuming. the women of the montana state house of representatives shocked to receive a memo detailing the way that they should dress. it includes rules on skirt lengths and necklines. the women who work there think that it suggests they don't know how to dress appropriately themselves. >> an arkansas couple giving one waitress the ultimate tip. >> we've been watching. we decided that you need some [inaudible] >> you've got to be kidding me. >> merry christmas. >> no way! >> gary and roxanne giving cracker barrel waitress sin dri grady a new car. after realizing grady was working to support herself and her disabled son, the couple decided to do something special. this is her old car with a smashed window and tape to hold it together. the waitress says she is so t

they saw the shooting, but what was not in that document, not included was the fbi interview of dorian johnson, a young man widely to have been with michael brown during the shooting. but the st. louis county prosecutor office said that they weren't withholding some of the information because there is still that department of justice civil rights investigation going on. but people are wondering why it's not included. right now it's not just a part of it. >> you would think that the justice department interviewed him as well. thank you. president obama has been on the road trying to drum up support for his executive action on immigration. he spoke in nashville which has one of the fastest growing immigration populations in the united states. he reassured them under new rules the average person is less likely to be deported unless they have a criminal history. >> for those who have american children, you can register and submit yourself to a criminal background check. and commit to paying taxes, if you do that you'll actually gives you the assurance that you can work and live here without deport

the initial fbi interview of dorian johnson, the friend who was with michael brown the day he was killed, has still not been released. >> he walked around with his hands up. beginning to tell the officer he was unarmed and to stop shooting, at that time, the officer was firing several more shots into my friend. >> reporter: the prosecutor did release to the public the many television interviews johnson did, the public has not seen what johnson initially told federal agents just a few days after brown's death. the prosecuting attorney's office told usa today that federal investigators asked for that testimony to be withheld as they conduct the civil rights investigation. >> is it fair for them to say, look, the federal investigation is still open, so we were asked to hold some of this back? >> it is fair for the feds to hold back materials pertaining to this investigation. but what's not appropriate is for matters pertaining to the grand jury, that we were told were released to have been held back, and now based on a new request, now they're being released. >> and that was our sarah sidne

certainly dorian johnson's story was before the grand jury and he testified before the grand jury butjury. so the short answer is i don't know why it hasn't been released. i don't know why it wasn't before the grand jury. but his story, which was one of the most important eyewitness testimonial though highly controversial and some said not accura accurate, but his story was before the grand jury. >> thank you very much all of you. we'll see you at 10:00 p.m. eastern later tonight, looking forward to the interview with the eight months, tom fuentez and john gaskin, thank you very much. much more news coming up right after this. ♪ [ male announcer ] you wouldn't ignore signs of damage in your home. are you sure you're not ignoring them in your body? even if you're treating your crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis, an occasional flare may be a sign of damaging inflammation. and if you ignore the signs, the more debilitating your symptoms could become. learn more about the role damaging inflammation may be playing in your symptoms with the expert advice tool at crohnsandcolitis.com. and

officials also omitted several key documents, including transcripts of testimony from dorian johnson.e was by brown's side when officer darren wilson shot and killed his friend. >> in new york, the state torn general wants new fewer investigate police involved killings, saying it was necessary to remove investigations from local authorities. that he said is one way to restore trust in the system. this comes nearly a week after a grand jury cleared a police officer in the death of eric garner. >> some advocates this morning taking issue with the justice democratic's new guidelines on racial profiling. attorney general eric holder releasing them yesterday, they ban race, sexual gender in policing. some say that undercuts that year effectiveness, saying resolving racial issues won't happen right away. >> when you're dealing with something as deeply rooted as racism or bias in any society, we've got to have vigilance, but you have to recognize that it's going to take some time and you just have to be steady. >> the president also saying the latest incidents of police-related killings shou

it is dorian johnson 22 years of age who was with michael brown during this fatal altercation.the witness that claimed hands up, don't shoot rendering at the time which would be a key factual issue to determine if the felt he was in danger for his life. >> what mr. johnson surely says. surely wiehl, his pg transcript of what he told the grand jury should be included in the exposition. why was it not? >> because what the feds are saying it's the transcript of interrogation between county and feds. we are not releasing that some it has been released. >> wait. mr. johnson was interrogated by local and fbi agencies joint. >> giant. that transcript was written down. so the fbi doesn't want it out, why? >> they are saying pause we have ongoing federal investigation. one can at least think about it and say wait a wait a second. some of what he said, are out there. why pull this one back? >> holder is making this determination. it's eric holder. >> it's ♪ just the fbi. you have to understand something -- >> -- it's the justice department. >> district attorney. anita gupta the civil rig

that's where he encounters dorian johnson and mike brown. it's purely serendipitous meeting on a saturday on august about noon. >> i keep substituting people in for the different, you know, different race and everything it seems to me that had michael brown been white, not african-american, that the circumstances would have been the same. there still would have been a confrontation between the two of them, i suspect. i mean,. >> i think it would have been identical, greta. i think that's right on. >> i think that as we look to try to figure out. >> go ahead. >> no. i was going to say, i would add in here. again, if you look at all the events that happened, you know, 10 minutes before the hour, until four minutes after tñedjc hour, you are absolutely right. race played absolutely no role in this. yet it seems to have co-opted everything that happened that day. >> we know that darren wilson 10 minutes before the event is helping on the sick case. and we know what michael brown was doing 10 minutes before this because we saw some video of the s

by that time, one of the basic public facts of the case was that michael brown and dorian johnson weren how the public fangts of the change change witness number 10's testimony moving michael brown from the sidewalk that the witness himself is on to the street. that kind of change in testimony to conform to public facts is something the district attorney criticized in other witnesses, but he did not complain about that very same thing from witness number 10. and "the washington post" article does not reveal that that inconsistency in witness number 10's testimony. while making that false claim that witness number 10's grand jury testimony, quote, is consistent with the statement he gave police. was the law professor blogger who wrote this for "the washington post" being lazy or willful in hiding the int consistencies? witness number 10's statement? well, the editing of the quoted testimony is certainly willful. and we all do that. whenever we use quotations, we have to decide where to begin the quotations and where to end the quotations. the article offers this quote from witness numbe

. >> and dorian johnson. it was your brother? >> yes. i was pushed against -- >> kind of bullied.oment from my perspective. the brazenness, the boldness was stunning. then we have video of your store, this is where they looted your store. and then if it wasn't for a woman one guy was spraying an accelerant all over and trying to build a big fire, right? >> yes. >> i'm told they have now identified this individual, is that true? >> that's true. >> that's true, right. i would like to see this guy who tried to burn your store down. what is your reaction to all of this? do we know who this woman is that uses milk and tries -- and puts out that fire for you? >> i'm grateful to her because if she did not pour milk, our store is ground zero. >> who is that woman? >> i don't know. but my employee does know her. >> he does know her. did she go in there for the specific reason to help the store? >> look like she's very nice. she help like she -- >> because that saved your store. how much in damage did you have here? >> like stolen items over $100,000. >> did you and your brother know michae

. >> and dorian johnson. it was your brother? >> yes. i was pushed against -- >> kind of bullied.y intimidating moment from my perspective. the brazenness, the boldness was stunning. then we have video of your store, this is where they looted your store. and then if it wasn't for a woman one guy was spraying an accelerant all over and trying to build a big fire, right? >> yes. >> i'm told they have now identified this individual, is that true? >> that's true. >> that's true, right. i would like to see this guy who tried to burn your store down. what is your reaction to all of this? do we know who this woman is that uses milk and tries -- and puts out that fire for you? >> i'm grateful to her because if she did not pour milk, our store is ground zero. >> who is that woman? >> i don't know. but my employee does know her. >> he does know her. did she go in there for the specific reason to help the store? >> look like she's very nice. she help like she -- >> because that saved your store. how much in damage did you have here? >> like stolen items over $100,000. >> did you and your bro

dorian johnson. >> the young man with amico brown that day. >> his testimony was they met at 7:00 inhe morning. they would start smoking weed at seven clog in the morning and they were going to the convenience store. no questioning about where they were from the four hours from 7:00 until 11:53 when the convenience store stick-up takes place. softball questioning by the prosecutor throughout. >> hypothetically, why does that matter in we know they smoked pot it was. in his system. >> it matters because, it suppose the prosecutors were softball questioning everybody. they were just presenting all of the evidence to the grand jury and letting them decide. it wasn't that they were just going soft on the cop. >> that's not accurate. >> that's just not accurate. when you read the testimony of those witnesses, many were questioned very aggressively. darren wilson was allowed to give testimony. the question of -- >> where were they between -- where were they in that four-hours? >> towed bring that point up himself. >> what about the point about darren wilson? we're always taught that the la

entire matter, no matter what side of the aisle you're on in this you have to recognize that dorian johnsonas not a credible witness. that's where this came from. >> now darren wilson is getting death threats, a man who has just been charged for threats against darren's life. and no one wants to hear this side of the story that supports him. gentlemen, thank you for being here. we want to talk about a brutal attack on a couple in ferguson, missouri, the husband beaten to death. this is a map of the pressure points on my feet. i have flat feet. i learned where the stress was at the dr.scholl's foot mapping center. then i got my number, which matched the custom fit orthotic inserts with the right support. go to drscholls.com for locations and save $10. i'm a believer. your hepatitis c.forget it's slow moving, you tell yourself. i have time. after all there may be no symptoms for years. no wonder you try to push it to the back of your mind and forget it. but here's something you shouldn't forget. hepatitis c is a serious disease. if left untreated, it could lead to liver damage and potentially

entire matter, no matter what side of the aisle you're on in this you have to recognize that dorian johnsonas not a credible witness. that's where this came from. >> now darren wilson is getting death threats, a man who has just been charged for threats against darren's life. and no one wants to hear this side of the story that supports him. gentlemen, thank you for being here. we want to talk about a brutal attack on a a a a a a instead of mailing everyone my vacation photos, i'm saving a ton of time by posting them to my wall. oh, i like that one. it's so quick! it's just like my car insurance. i saved 15% in just 15 minutes. i saved more than that in half the time. i unfriend you. that's not how it works. that's not how any of this works. [ male announcer ] 15 minutes for a quote isn't how it works anymore. with esurance, 7 1/2 minutes could save you on car insurance. welcome to the modern world. esurance. backed by allstate. click or call. welcome to the modern world. thand helzbergre fidiamonds celebrates the spirit of the season. our diamond ring is the perfect way to express your lov

michael brown's friend dorian johnson who i talked to last week and a number of other witnesses who testified before the grand jury and it all comes down to one question. who are you going to believe? last week it became pretty clear the grand jury and prosecutor believed darren wilson's account. >> they determined that no probable cause exists to file any charge against officer wilson and returned a no true bill on each of the five indictments. the physical and scientific evidence examined by the grand jury combined with the witness statements supported and substance yachted by that physical evidence tells the accurate and tragic story of what happened. >> last week at a park in cleveland a 12-year-old south african american child tamir rice was shot after carrying a pellet gun. here's how police tell the story. when the two pulled up they saw a few people sitting under a pavilion. police say they saw rice pick up a gun from the table and put it in his waistband so the officer got out of the car and told the boy to put his hands up but then the boy reached into his waistband, pulled out the

brown's friend dorian johnson who was with brown when he was shot. >>> a grieving mother is calling force was killed by a cleefl cleveland police officer after waving a gone. pierre thomas with more. >> reporter: samaria rice witnessed something no one should see. her 12-year-old son tamir dying an the street. >> i see my son lying on the ground. >> reporter: someone called 911 about a person with a gun in the park suggesting it might be a kid with a toy. but those critical details apparently were not conveyed to the responding officers. this video shows tamir in that park. the squad car arriving on the scene. an officer shooting the boy in less than two seconds. tamir only a sixth grader, died the next day. >> he was a wonderful child, a joy to my life. >> reporter: now his mother is demanding justice in an interview with "good morning america." >> i'm looking for a conviction for both of the officers. >> reporter: the numbers suggest her wish is not likely to be granted. from 2005 to 2011, the fbi received reports of more than 2600 justifiable homicides by police. but in that same per

lying, but one account remained consistent throughout the investigation, that of brown's friend, dorian johnsonhe said officer wilson grabbed michael brown. the teen was shot as he attempted to run away from wilson, and that brown's hands were up when he was shot. while johnson's account didn't change, the documents showed that wasn't always the case, with untrustworthy testimony coming from both sides. when a grand jury asked are you telling us that the only thing that's true about all of your statements before this is that you saw that police officer shoot him at point-blank range, witness 35 responds, yes. in another example, with the 22 is asked you gave two statements, were both of those statements true? the answer, no, i just felt like i wanted to be part of something. i didn't see what i told the f.b.i. what i saw. >> when another witness is pressed to remember what they saw, you told three different stories in the time we've been here today, so i want to know which one is really your memory or did you see this at all? number 37 asked if none of thigh stuff is making any sense, like why

. >> another part of the evidence, tom fuentes, involved dorian johnson, as you know, he was there ontreet with michael brown. a lot of the people that questioned the reliability, raised questions about his reliability, but his testimony seemed to be consistent throughout. >> it appears so. he's been very controversial, the only eyewitness to what happened in the convenience store, besides the store clerk. he's the only eyewitness that was present when the altercation happened between michael brown and darren wilson at the squad car. by the time the shots are fired there, then we have more people taking notice in the nearby apartments and then watching and/or taking video, pictures of what was going on. so he is a key figure about what he has to say about what he saw, especially as it pertains to the forensic evidence is very important. >> while i have the time, i want you to react what we heard from the new york city police commissioner. two police officers were attacked brutally over the weekend by some of these protesters. a very small number, but they were assaulted, and the -- bi

a two-hour fbi and police interview with this man, michael brown's friend dorian johnson is missing. and police can't explain why it's missing. he was with michael brown when he was shot and killed by officer darren wilson. >>> the man who helped draw up obamacare is facing a hostile house panel this morning. jonathan gruber who served as republican punching bag for weeks will testify about his role in selling the 2010 health care law, likely to be grilled at the most notorious statement that the bill's backers relied on the stupidity of the american voter. tough one to live down. >>> nor'easter is getting ready to slam into the northeast and we need to blame someone for the snow and rain about to come here. we have the perfect person, meteorologist chad myers. chad, why you hate me like this, chad? >> i'll take it on my shoulders, a lot of rain from new york, the good news is i guess this isn't a snowstorm. the low is just close enough to new york and philadelphia and to boston make a rainstorm. the snow is inland in the alleghanys, the poconos, the catskills. the rain is along the

>> because it relies almost totally on the testimony of dorian johnson, he is the cyb single-most discreditedess. >> you know the witness sheet and the spread sheet. >> sure? >> is it true that 16 witnesses said he had his hands up. and two said he did not? >> in some, well, no there were more than two that said he did not. >> no, no, this is really important. people keep getting this wrong. 28 witnesses, 16 said hands up. two said no hands up. the rest either weren't asked the question or didn't have a responsive answer for the panel. isn't that true in. >> i don't dispute your math, chris, you and i both know as lawyers that have been in a courtroom, you don't rely on the testimony of eye witnesses alone. you have to overlay over that testimony the physical evidence. and the physical evidence supports the fact he did not have his hands up. >> and the grand jury exonerated. that's the end of the discussion. but in terms of was officer wilson wrong or not, you have to respect the process. however, the don't shoot hands up, there's plenty of reason to believe that michael brown had his hands u