it is for doris kearns goodwin. but it's something that washington just doesn't have to think about. let's stay another year or two because we don't want to be blamed for losing a war -- >> it's a line item, joe, a line item in the budget for people voting in the house and senate. for hundreds of thousands of americans, not a whole lot, it's a family member. it's a line item. >> one of the most depressing parts about that report in "the new york times," something we already knew but pointed to in the intelligence report which is we can't do anything without the help of pakistan which we don't have. you stay in afghanistan for years and years and decades to come. unless you can get the help of pakistan, nothing happens. >> who were our two partners in this war without end? pakistan and karzai. let's think about that again. who are our two allies? pakistan and karzai. young american men and women are dieing all the time, six died this week in one attack, to prop up karzai and to somehow stabilize pakistan. >> joe, you