. >> i think the doris kearns goodwin took -- book is very telling. it is wonderfully documented. i come away from it feeling like they were ships passing in the night. there would be times when he would reach out to her, and she was unavailable to him, and times when she would reach out to him, and he was unavailable to her. it was a complicated relationship, to put it mildly. politically, i agree completely. i think there are times when she was out there beyond where he wanted her to be, but she had passionate views. beyond her advocacy, she also very much -- he was very clear on this -- served as his eyes and ears. she could be out there, and he could not. that was a very useful role. >> when you talk about women in the white house, sometimes, you're talking about other women the doris kearns goodwin book -- you say, well the president and unburden himself to their spouses and share secrets -- not all secrets apparently. any observations on that? >> on the other woman? she should go away. [laughter] >> i was going to add one thing on eleanor and franklin when it comes to the ot

so, somehow, he mastered that voice. >> stahl: even lincoln historians, like doris kearns goodwin, whowas eerily authentic because of daniel day-lewis' method acting. >> goodwin: steven told me later that he never came out of that voice until after the filming was over. >> stahl: so the whole time they were filming, he stayed in character, which is his method? >> goodwin: absolutely. >> stahl: steven is steven spielberg, the director, who decided that the movie would be only about the last four months of lincoln's life, when, worried that the emancipation proclamation would be voided after the war, he pushes for passage of the 13th amendment to end slavery once and for all. >> steven spielberg: what he was seeing was that the war was going to come to a close, and once the war was over, he would have a snowball's chance in hell to pass this. he needed to get this thing through with great haste. >> stahl: here's something most of us didn't know: lincoln was a was a hardball, down-and-dirty kind of politician. to get the amendment passed, he used ruthless, even deceptive tactics. lincoln,

her feelings about that with a couple of exceptions, she does explain to doris kearns goodwin how she felt about it and she did regret it for the rest of her life and was angry at her husband because of it. then i came upon a little interview that she did with felicia rocha and who was at one time married to fdr junior and she knew rose kennedy and the kennedy family. in the early 70's felicia went to palm beach and stayed with rose and interviewed her with a book she was doing called tours and dour jurors about great matriarchs in america. she asks, felicia asked rose about rosemary and said you don't talk very much about her and rose burst into tears and became choked up. this would have been 30 years after the procedure at which point than rosemary did have to be institutionalize because the lobotomy went terribly wrong. now we should say two things. one is that this was thought to be in 1941 a procedure that worked to try to minimize anxiety and depression which rosemary also suffered from sojo who is always up on the latest medical procedures -- >> host: they still do that. >> gu

. >> guest: so that thwarted her plan, and she expressed to doris kearns goodwin late in life that that was one of the saddest moments of her life, when she found that out, and she regretted it for the rest of her life. >> host: this was a woman who did not express much regret about anything. >> guest: she did not. at first i was distracted by the goblet of water in the forefront, and then i decided this is the perfect metaphor for rose kennedy because, if folks will notice, it's exactly half full with water, and that was -- >> host: i didn't think of that. >> guest: -- viewed life. she was the eternal optimist. that didn't mean she didn't have sad moments, but generally speaking, she tried to keep this optimistic, upbeat approach to the life and tried to have her children do that as well. in addition to not being able to go to wellesley, her father -- to add insult to injury -- sent her away to a convent abroad -- >> host: a con vent. >> guest: a con vent. [laughter] not that she was going to become a nun because she had fallen in love with her future husband, joe kennedy, as teenagers

. >> i think the doris kearns goodwin took -- book is very telling. it is wonderfully documented. it feeling like they were ships passing in the night. there would be times when he would reach out to her, and she was unavailable to him, and when she would reach out to him, and he was unavailable to her. it was a complicated relationship, to put it mildly. politically, i agree completely. i think there are times when she was out there beyond where he wanted her to be, but she had passionate views. advocacy, she also very much -- he was very clear on this -- served as his eyes and ears. she could be out there, and he could not. role.as a very useful >> when you talk about women in the white house, sometimes, you're talking about other women -- the doris kearns goodwin book -- you say, well the president and unburden himself to their spouses and share secrets -- not all secrets apparently. that?servations on >> on the other woman? she should go away. [laughter] >> i was going to add one thing on eleanor and franklin when it comes to the other women, that guilt played such a a role in

doris kearns goodwin studied the roosevelt during the second world war. she was a pioneer and a source of inspiration for my book, hidden power. historians tend to be male, with all due respect. they have ignored this important subject. i hope that i will persuade you this morning that marriage has consequences and presidential marriages have consequences for the nation. those unions have an impact our lives. presidential marriages are of a different order. i call my book "hidden power" because the full extent of the office of the president has been shrouded. both presidential couples and we the public -- we, the public, conspired to keep it secret. we are made nervous. they, the president of couples, do not want us to know the extent that they share it. i think it's time to lift the veil and get real. let me say that they are not who we think we -- who we think they are. they are too good at raising their own tracks and putting out an image of themselves. i would roosevelt, who was, by all accounts, a transformative first lady, against who all the others