she is not somebody who is a bomb thrower, doris kearns goodwin.he basically walked up to the line with he's not fit for office right now. she was right there, pretty close. >> something happened a month ago and obviously i think, oh, my god, tell us what it is that happened, but clearly the people inside the administration, inside the congress are feeling a sense of enormous concern right now. i don't understand how president trump could say the other day no collusion, we're very happy. how can he be happy? the administration has been under a shadow from the beginning. time and resources have been lost. it's going in a deeper direction. as long as it doesn't hit him he says we're happy. don't the people around you you've chosen to show themselves to be untrustworthy, that's at -- he says we are very happy. there is such a disconnect between what's happening and what he's feeling. >> well, she caught a primary a month ago, too, and that helps you find your inner bomb-thrower when you're up for re-election for a democratic primary in california. thi

doris kearns goodwin is one. david mccullough, walter isaacson develop ad trust with will putionship they anything he puts out really. >> we checked out the best-seller's list prior to sitting down with you here, we discovered some of the books on they're isaacson's da vinci. grant by ron chernow. chris matthew's book on rfk is a best-seller. what y happened. did you read what happened? >> you're embarrassing me, i did not read,d, what happened. i didn't want to relive what happened personally. i kind of felt i knew what happened. but it is, honest, i read excerpts from it. it is an honest portrayal of her point of view in terms of what happened during the election. cspan: another b best-seller for books in books, donna brazile's book, hacked. >> she was here couple nights ago. cspan: did you see her? >> i did. she was in conversation with ana navarro. that was quite -- cspan: who was an obama administration official, right? >> no. ana navarro is a republican. ana navarro is on cnn she is anti-trump cnn reporter,

doris kearns goodwin's book the team of rivals, watt not about bringing a bunch of people together to pit them against each other. it wast oh, my god i need experience people, people who hate me and rans against me. trump brings in reince priebus, his chief of staff. a guy who was a party functionary, before that a term or so in the wisconsin legislature. i want to remind you, whenever you see reince although he is out of politics right now, always keep y in mind reince priebus is without the vowels, rncprbs. [laughter]. do not like at him without thinking about that. [laughter]. then you bring in steve bannon andin steve miller as your top actors. then you bring into your cabinet goldman sachs executives and business types who never served in governmentwh before. then with the 600 or so top policy positions, senate confirmable, that matter, deputy secretaries undersecretary is assistant secretaries heads of bureaus and heads of agencies, a year into the presidency more half unfilled, not even nominated for positions, including key ambassadorships. when you have a president who goes t