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well, we have joining us the pulitzer prize winners doris kearns goodwin and jon meacham. >> if you don't have trust in government, government is who we are. >>> also on this christmas weekend, i will tell you about another biblical exodus. this time by christians who have been leaving the middle east in droves. >>> and -- ♪ -- the beethoven's fifth symphony and others up to nine but you never heard the tenth, because he never fenninished it. well, thanks to the world of artificial intelligence and its human handlers, you can now on "gps." stay tuned to hear what it sounds like. >>> first, here's "my take." as the year draws to a close, i ask myself what books that i have read have had a real impact on me. it's nothing like reading a good book to engage deeply with a topic. here are three that impressed me greatly this year, the narrow corridor, state society in the fate of liberty. i took the time to savor every chapter because the book is packed with information and ideas. the authors, both distinguished in the fields of economics and political science, try to explain why so few countri

you consulted other historians, doris kearns goodwin, jon meacham, walter isaacson. - mmm hmm. - [margaret] how'd you pick and choose? who didn't make the cut? - that's an interesting question. what is more interesting is the people i, i missed. i wish i'd been able to write about andrew johnson, for instance. didn't get around toim. - would you be willing to read one of my favorites for us? - sure. you take your pick. - this is boss tweed. - aha. - perhaps at the end. - yep. this is called nasty business, the tale of boss tweed, and it's about boss tweed and his opposite number, thomas nast, the cartoonist who brought him down. a subject that was particularly dear to my heart, - since you illustrated. - since i illustrated the book - that's exactly why i thought that was a perfect nexus. - we now introduce the aforesaid cartoonist, who brought down the boss like a punctured balloonist, the depictions of tweed by the great thomas nast were scathing, satiric, and destined to last. nast pictured a slob of falstaffian bulk a baleful, beady-eyed, glowerinhulk. tweed frantically raged at his im

i'm a great believer— of the doris kearns goodwin school of history, that wonderful book, |team of rivalsr from illinois becomes . president, everybody thinks he's l a bit ofa... not up to it, he deliberately- fills his cabinet with strong people who all, by the way, _ think they can do the job better than him, and he ends up being one of the greatest presidents _ of all time because he was confident enough to have. strong people around him. ithat, i think, is a great model. for how you'd run a government. too many yes—men and women around him at the moment? well, i think people have to summon i up the blood and not be frightenedl to say what they think. do it in a professional way, of course, but that's - what collective decision—making is all about _ once you have reached the collective cabinet decision, that is fine, - you stick by it or you get out. but before that point, | there should be plenty of opportunity for cabinet ministers or others to have that vigorous - debate, probably in committee, - that's probably the best place to do it, and then for cabinet to sign off on those deci

i'm a great believer- of the doris kearns goodwin school of history, that _ wonderful book, team of rivalsay, think they can do the job i better than him, and he ends up being one of the greatest - presidents of all time _ because he was confident enough to have strong - people around him. that, i think, is a great model for how run a government. - too many yes men and women around him at the moment? well, i think people have to summon up the blood| and not be frightened. to say what they think. do it in a professional way, of course, that is what - collective decision—making is all about. _ once you have reached the collective cabinet. decision, that is fine, - you stick by it or you get out. but before that point, | there should be plenty of opportunity - for cabinet ministers or others to have - that vigorous debate, probably in committee, that's probably the best place to do it, and then for cabinetl to sign off on those decisions or to have further discussion if there isn't agreement. - i wanted to ask you about your daughter who was diagnosed with autism at ten. it is striking that f