doris kearns goodwin is the author of leadership in turbulent times.m. thanks so much for being here. where does it say about where we are that a congresswoman standing up on principle for her beliefs and for truth and facts about the election not being stolen is overwhelmingly voted out of office? >> well, you know, i think she can take solace from lincoln because as she pointed out, he was defeated in 1858 in the senate race. but what he said at the time, i think, is really important. he said, don't worry about me to his supporters. i'm not disheartened. i've made a hearing on the most durable issue of the day, and that will be remembered long after i'm gone. so there's a sense that where are the people right now that are willing to take, as you suggest, a principled stand even if they're going to lose? and then the other great example that lincoln can provide is in 1864, he was told in the summer of 1864 by the republican bigwigs, there's no way you're going to win that election in november. you're going to lose unless you're willing to compromise o

i don't think i need to do much to introduce doris kearns goodwin to you. i think you all know who she is. she started out in brooklyn. and then she wound up here on long island what that rockville center, here we go, but she's a red sax fan, although that wasn't true in her younger days. you want to learn about her and her father that she wrote a wonderful book. what's it called? next year wait till next year about baseball. it's a terrific book and and many others she went to colby then she went to harvard got her various degrees up to her phd from harvard taught at harvard for a while then got into politics. so to speak staffer lbj and other i think you'll say a few words about this. lbj was really her focus for quite a while then she got into writing and has written all these wonderful books i have offered her. blurb anytime she wants it my blurb for her will be if doris kearns goodwin wrote a book a biography of bullwinkle. i'd buy it and read it in one night. so let me introduce to you doris kearns cooper. thank you. i'm so glad to be with all of you

because as doris kearns goodwin said eleanor knew what should be done and franklin knew what could be done. he always listened to her. he always respected her opinion. she always nagged him and pushed him and pushed him. and quite often he would think a few days later. she was right. she was right about the japanese internment camp. she did so many things and you know, as i said having that picture with my father, it's in my book a special thing. and i was just overwhelmed. i think there are many people who have met her. friends of mine who told me stories that i put one person i put in the book. to think that a woman lived from the time of grover cleveland to martin luther king. and martin luther king would say the impact of her personality and it's unwavering dedication to high principle and purpose cannot be contained in a single day or era. her life was one of the bright interludes in the troubled history of mankind. and i think when you put these two people together, it's quite remarkable that even though they had their falling out which i didn't get into, you know, and they didn

and the nazis poof i don't think i need to do much to introduce doris kearns goodwin to you. i think you all know who she is. she started out in brooklyn. and then she wound up here on long island what that rockville center, here we go, but she's a red sax fan,

and the nazis poof i don't think i need to do much to introduce doris kearns goodwin to you. i think you all know who she is. she started out in brooklyn. and then she wound up here on long island what that rockville center, here we go, but she's a red sax fan, although that wasn't true in her younger days. you want to learn about her and her father that she wrote a wonderful book.

and pulitzer prize-winning author and presidential historian, doris kearns goodwin joins us this morningays ago, on the 9th, i think it was michael beschloss who said, what were your memories of richard nixon's resignation? it was fascinating, seeing where everybody was on august the 9th, 1974. but then something hit on august the 9th, 2022, that certainly took us all back to those days. i was very young at the time, but, still, if you were growing up and you had memories of watergate, you understood just the severity of that crisis. it did feel -- it really did feel a bit like we were in 1974 again on august 9th. talk about any historical parallels that you saw from the raid, as donald trump calls it. the rest of america would call it a search, a legal search. just your thoughts about where we are right now, the investigations against, what i believe is a very corrupt ex-president? >> you know, it is interesting, joe. when we think back to that summer of 1974, people were really anxious. we forget because we know it turned out all right. this is what happens with history. we know that,