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doris kearns goodwin, the historian, they came to chicago and they took me and jon favreau to lunch. and adam frankel, who was the other speechwriter, you know, -- goodwin sat there at lunch and just told us stories, you know, and it kind of blew us away. and then ted sorensen, who was john f kennedy speechwriter, he met with us and then when obama was elected, there's actually a society of former speechwriters where you're not supposed to talk very often, but it's called the judson. well of our society, because that's actually that said, too much already that no one's supposed to know about this. this is the first presidential speechwriter and he's saying everything, the first presidential speechwriter history's got him. judson welliver, who is like, i don't know, warren g. harding, speechwriter. and he had a good name. but actually, i think he was kind of a problematic individual, you know, hard negative on twitter here today. but anyway, we had a dinner with like peggy noonan, ronald reagan's speechwriter. and, you know, chris matthews, jimmy carter's speechwriter, and ted sorensen