. >> we know from past experience, i can remember famously, more than a decade ago doris mizer said they lost 80,000 files in a year. i am assuming that these records also get lost, is that correct? [laughter] and they havens alien files, administrative files, so i cannot speak to their practices. we try to maintain pretty good control over ours. >> it is a cumbersome method, they need to be located before the judge can walk into court. it is all on paper. >> they do take up space. space we could be using for additional personnel or courtrooms. eight hi all of. -- pile up. sometimes we send them to the federal records center, but we have to keep a lot of them on-site. they take up space on people's desks. it interferes more than just the judge reviewing it. >> you have a centralized process by which you record the hearings, correct? >> we switched to a digital audio recording system about six or seven years ago, so everything has always been recorded. it used to be on cassette tapes, not sure if anybody remembers those. but that was the preeminent technological innovation we have had in