every facet of society from the younger generations, dorrell and families, but also employers and doctors. america is a hard place the a senior and it is disgraceful. two things have to go on. our opinion about old people and seniors and value at the contributions they make to us -- and the contributions they make to us have to change. sen. brown: -- host: thank you for calling. christopher in michigan, you are up next. you are on, go ahead. call: i would likto thank all of you who work for c-span, you do good work every day. thank you. host: go ahead. caller: to answer your question, for me --

stephen dorrell joining us from worcester just down the dorrell joining us from worcesterjust down thehere i'm from, stephen, thank you for talking to us this afternoon. so let me ask you that very question with all with all your your experience, who should replace rishi sunak or should replace rishi sunak or should anybody ? should anybody? >> well, clearly . if so, let me >> well, clearly. if so, let me say first of all, i was a member of the conservative party for 49 years. >> i'm no longer a member for a variety of reasons related to what's happened over the last few years. i'm now a strong supporter of the liberal democrats, so i'm probably not the right to give you the the right person to give you the answer the question who the answer to the question who the conservative should as conservative should elect as their leader ? their next leader? >> but it's issue they're >> but it's an issue they're going to plenty of time to going to have plenty of time to think it when the after think about it when the after the election, because i think it's pretty clear that there is almost not