you know derrick dorsey?the last time you were at the house? i told him i was there friday or whatever it was. >> they also asked if he knew anything about kim. even then, he said he had no idea why police were so interested in the dorseys. >> she's very sweet. very nice. you know, she always, you know -- i only saw her a couple times. >> one of them was that friday. he had been called to the dorsey home to fine-tune the entertainment system. while he was there, he noticed a chill between the husband and wife. >> i remember just she walked by and said hey, i got -- i'm headed to the gym. and i said okay. we'll see you. and derrick didn't say anything to her. so i thought that was weird, you know, i was like you don't say bye to your wife? i guess he was more interested in getting this electronics fixed. >> because something must have jumped out at you. you don't know this couple very well. >> weird. they didn't have -- i didn't see an affectionate relationship between the two at all. >> as the detectives list

i'm not sure jack dorsey really tips the scales that much more.ut certainly what jack dorsey and twitter did on wednesday, it takes away one of mark zuckerberg's arguments, right? that his peers at twitter and google are all doing the same thing when it comes to political advertising, and dorsey basically said nope, they're not. taylor: one half of 1% of revenue, which is the political ad contribution on facebook. why even get in this controversy to begin with? shira: i think that's a great question, and certainly one they have made. that facebook wouldn't be giving up really that much revenue if it decided we will just stop taking political ads and take ourselves out of this part of a conversation. i think the argument that mark zuckerberg is making, and it does feel like he really believes it, is that facebook doesn't want to be in a position where they're asked to censor political speech, right? he really sees it as a free speech argument. and there are certainly a lot of people, particularly conservative politicians, who agree with him. but he

infiltration of twitter which dorsey knew about did not even come up. in june of 2016 twitter c.e.o. jack dorsey met with the saudi crown prince mohammed bin given what we know now and given that reportedly there was no discussion at that meeting of the breach what do we make of that meeting and that photo i think it's a clear example of how financial interests. promise investment in twitter. took precedence over human rights in their desperate desire to attract funds to their companies that are actually creating a big problem and they will realize later that the policy that prioritize financial gain at the expense of human rights is futile. there is no way that a competent would not be aware of such an important thing as a security breach when his company it's huge especially when that breach could have violated u.s. law it would be the 1st thing on any meeting agenda so there's no way you could have that discussion without raising this issue it's paramount. unless dorsey felt the issue was off limits a saudi royal the crown prince's cousin been alread

incumbent's rights or jack dorsey has already said this the trump campaign has said that it's dumb and then we've had mostly positive reactions from the democratic side so i'm curious break that down for us how how will this affect campaigns leading up to the 2020 election well campaigns to spend money on these political ads he's paid political ads to influence people and oftentimes that the as if they pay for are meant to meant to cast their opponents in an unfavorable light so these are very very important very important tool for campaigns they want to define their opponents before the opponents have a chance to define themselves and they want to defy the poets in a negative way and so that's how people in campaigns use paid political advertising in this case. the trump campaign would probably think this is obviously trying to slow them down slow down the people who would on their behalf pay for these ads and twitter and so that's why the trump campaign would like it but on the other hand it's not going to slow the president down from being able to get his message out on twitter to m

i am not sure jack dorsey really tips the scales that much more, but certainly what jack dorsey and twitter on wednesday takes away one of mark zuckerberg's arguments, that his peers at twitter and google are all doing the same thing when it comes to political advertising. door security -- dorsey basically said ,nope, we are not. >> at one half of 1% of revenue, why even get into this controversy to begin with? >> i think that is a great question and certainly that is a point that many people have made , that facebook would not be giving up really that much revenue if it decided we are just going to stop taking political ads and just take ourselves out of this part of the conversation. i think the argument that i mark zuckerberg is making and you can say it is the wrong decision, but it does feel like he really believes it, is that facebook does not want to be in a position where they are asked to censor political speech. he really sees this as kind of a free-speech argument and there are certainly a lot of people, particularly conservative politicians, who agree with him. it does feel like

dorsey announced that twitter would no longer allow political advertising globally dorsey announced that twitter would no longer allow political advertising globally including campaigns on candidates or issues while he did not mention zucker birth by including campaigns on candidates or issues while he did not mention zucker birth by name this move came after facebook said it would not block falls political advertising name this move came after facebook said it would not block false political advertising arguing that it would violate free speech even paid free speech arguing that it would violate free speech even paid free speech sucker bird back a dorsey and defended facebook's decision to continue writing political ads sucker bird club baca dorsey and defended facebook's decision to continue writing political ads even those that included false information citing free expression is and it's even those that included false information citing free expression is an important role of facebook this goes back to facebook's stance when it comes to credit important role of facebook this goes bac

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. >> another potential threat was highlighted a few weeks ago when twitter ceo jack dorsey's account was hacked and importantly anti- semitic post were on there briefly before being removed so what is the threat in terms of disinformation to accredited users and those who are verified by twitter or on facebook being hacked and spreading news that may not be true? >> guest: i talked about this in my upcoming book which is about how social media disrupting our world and it was ironic that at the exact moment that jack dorsey's account on twitter was being hacked i was on television talking about the danger to democracy from digital manipulation. the issue here is that there can be broad ramifications for a society that we may not even be thinking of. for instance, in 2013 syrian hackers hacked the twitter handle and put out a tweet that said that barack obama had been injured in an explosion, two explosions in the white house, that day. what happened was automated trading algorithms that trade on the sentiment in social media or in an automated fashion observing the sentiment and start

jack dorsey jumps in and he announces a policy change on valid form no more political if you look at the timing richard this feels a little bit like a case of corporate trolling well facebook flounders on this issue here is twitter with what sounds like a well thought out policy for killing all political ads dorsey tweeted political message reaches the urns not blogs and the pain to reach voters has significant ramifications that today's democratic infrastructure may not be prepared to handle and across the internet people were tagging facebook and zuckerberg asking why they couldn't do the same as twitter but it's worth noting though that twitter doesn't make nearly as much as facebook does from political ads so dorsey is not turning his back on as much money but from a p.r. point of view it clearly did zuckerberg no favors this year thanks joe. more than 2000000 people live in american prisons that's roughly equivalent to the population of a medium sized city locked up across the country the stories of what really goes on inside are seldom heard which is striking since fictional de

and benioff against dorsey when it came to homelessness but this is something that i feel like dorsey getting ahead of the 2020 election. this is going to be a major issue over the next four to five months in terms of how ads are seen by people. jennifer and i were talking before the show, youtube is going to be a big part of this. we hear that there is a lot of ads. we know there are manipulation possibly by certain ads so we'll see what happens now when it comes to the google aspect of things. >> and my guys at "the new york times" i see you nodding. >> oh, man, the facebook -- facebook is the one that is taking this all head on just because i think they're the one ma most people sort of relate to, they have the biggest footprint and everyone is using one of think properties and facebook realized that twitter and google are hiding behind them in this war so they have having to take a stance. at the same time yesterday on the earning call -- or the other day mark zuckerberg essentially said we are doubling down on what we're doing. we're not going to get rid of political ads. we thin

jack dorsey jumps in and he announces a policy change on that platform no more political acts if you look at the timing richard this feels a little bit like a case of corporate trolling well facebook flounders on this issue here is twitter with what sounds like a well thought out policy for killing all political ads dorsey tweeted political message reach of be earned not bad and the pain to reach voters has significant ramification that today's democratic infrastructure may not be prepared to handle now kristie internet people were tagging facebook and zuckerberg asking why they couldn't do the same as twitter but it's worth noting though that sweater doesn't make nearly as much as facebook does from political ads so dorsey is not turning his back on as much money but from a p.r. point of view it clearly did zuckerberg no favors this way ok thanks joe. more than 2000000 people live in american prisons that's roughly equivalent to the population of a medium sized city locked up across the country the stories of what really goes on inside are seldom heard which is striking since fictio

in the case of jack dorsey, obviously he is the ceo of the major company. when that fake news gets out it could really damaged the reputation of the company. it could create downward trends in the stock price and so on. so it's difficult their rice what types of potential could be but we have several examples of serious harm that could come from these types of attack. >> host: i want to go back to something you said earlier, but are the social media companies helping in this effort, or are you finding resistance? >> guest: i think they are genuinely interested in helping. i also think that they had natural incentives to drag their feet at times. because there's a lot of potential exposure to commercial harm to them from being transparent. and so it takes a motivation on the part of the senior leadership team to understand that the impact of these technologies on our society are more important than the potential commercial harm or transparency and/or any given, you know, disclosure. now, obviously they have need to protect individuals private data. i do know

jack dorsey says this isn't about free expression this is about paying for reach and paying to increase the reach of political speech has significant ramifications that today's democratic infrastructure may not be prepared to handle it's worth stepping back in order to address. well let's take a closer look at spending around social media ads in the united states now political parties are expected to spend $6000000000.00 ahead of next year's presidential election but only about 20 percent of that will cover digital media most of the rest will go to television now twist estimates that it and $3000000.00 from political ads during last year's midterm elections now it's not a huge amount democratic presidential candidate come along harris has spent more than a $1000000.00 on twitter ads since last june to put that into perspective president trump has spent less than $7000.00 his campaign is more focused on facebook spending more than 21000000 dollars there and facebook says political advertising will account for about 0.5 percent of its revenue next year. well let's introduce today's panel

paul: why did jack dorsey do this?ckerberg is different policy at facebook. any response? >> it certainly seems he was. there's a frenzy about social media companies and political ads on social media committees so when facebook says it will not take donald trump's ad, the press and those in silicon valley got up stopped and jack dorsey seem to take it manage of this by issuing a sort of high-minded announcement that you should not pay to get your message out. that's not about free speech but about pain. paul: he was trying to one up zuckerberg in terms of saying i'm the virtuous one and we are the better platform for you. >> it appears so. and yet, he's ending up having to backtrack on that initial proclamation which are the dangers of trying to grandstand in that way. paul: we think about zuckerberg and the pressure that he is under? it's pretty enormous from the political left. they want him to basically say we will take down donald trump ads and we will take down speech that the left does not like. >> there are huge

it is ironic that at the exact moment that jack dorsey's account on twitter was being hacked, i was onelevision talking about the dangers to democracy i digital manipulation. the issue here is that there can be broad ramifications for society that we may not even be thinking of. for instance, in 2013, syrian hackers hacked the ap news twitter handle and put out a tweet that said that barack obama had been injured in an explosion, two explosions in the white house that day. what happened was that automated trading algorithms that trade on the sentiment in social media work in an automated fashion observing the sentiment and darted selling stocks because that is big news. if the president has been injured in an explosion inside the white house. potentially very do stabilizing. that created a market crash that lost 140 billion dollars of equity value in a single day. the threat from mimicking or inauthentic hacks of individuals -- individual verified user accounts is real and potentially simply ther than reputational damage to the individual. in the case of jack dorsey, obviously, he is a

there's huge pressure, is dorsey trying to one up him? google is trying to regulate ads more heavily. i thinke zuckerberg is a bit wiser, savvier than the ceos of google and twitter and other places and he may understand getting into this political thicket is not good. >> where facebook has endedfo up is kind of a safe political harbor. it says look, it essentially assumes politicians aren't always going to tell the truth but it's not our job to be the referee. these voices to find out and compete against one another. >> that's how it always happened in the u.s., politicians and thd press have fought over competing claims and the idea of getting sucked in, i don't know why the ceo you would want to do that. >> is zuckerberg going to quickly back down? >> i am concerned -- i think he's more likely to do something like what google did for you severely restrict it. >> we will take one more break. when weja come back. so you only pay for what you need. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ i am totally blind. and

incumbent's rights or jack dorsey has already said this the trump campaign has said that it's dumb and then we've had mostly positive reactions from the democratic side so i'm curious break that down for us how how will this affect campaigns leading up to the 2020 election well campaigns to spend money on these political ads he's paid political ads to influence people and often times that they as if they pay for are meant to meant to cast their opponents in an unfavorable light so these are very very important very important tool for campaigns they want to define their opponents before the opponents have a chance to define themselves and they want to define the pose in a negative way and so that's how people in campaigns use paid political advertising in this case. the drum kit pay would probably think this is obviously trying to slow them down slow down the people who would on their behalf pay for these ads and twitter and so that's why the trump campaign would like it but on the other hand stuff going to slow the president down from being able to get his message out on twitter to mil

>> steve dorsey. steve, thank you. >>> after two weeks of impeachment hearings, the white house says it is prepared for a trial in the senate, but according to counselor to the president kellyanne conway, even some democrats have their doubts about impeachment. >> i think for those democrats, it's not completely certain yet. some of them actually going on the record saying i'm not there yet. i have to see what the articles say and what the report. but we know what they didn't see over 12 witnesses in two weeks of testimony over 30 hours. they didn't hear anybody say y no. extortion, no. quid pro quo for the aid? no. preconditions for meeting? did the president commit a crime? no, no, no, every time. >> president trump has made it clear that he wants a senate trial, the only place he says he can get a fair hearing. >>> president trump continues to insist ukraine, not russia hacked the 2016 election. but bill whitaker spoke to top justice department officials who say that's just not. so. >> so that was

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this is a change for jack dorsey. why make this change now?acebook.g to there'ser been contr around facebook over their policy of not pulling down misleading posts politicians put up. jack was reacting to that and saying we are taking a completely differentatof mark zuckerberg. john: they made this announcement just before an earnings callnd he said in a democracy, i don't think it's varight for p companies to censor politicians or the news. tou've been talkin executives do they feel pressure because of what twitter has done? guest: they don't. there's more attention on them, but they say they have made this decision. they haven't articulated it well, but we are going totick to it. john: and there decision is what/ guest: they are going to count on voters toook at those assets and say that's something that's not true, allow the public to make those decisions and not do the fact checking on the front and. john dorsey made a distinction in his tweets, which were much long than what we read, between paid speech ads and free spch, posts by people.

in the case of jack dorsey he's the ceo of a major company and when that fake news gets out it can damage the repetition of the company and create downward trends in the stock crisis and it is difficult to theorize about what all the potential harm could be but we have several examples of serious harm that could come from these attacks. >> host: professor, i want to go back to something that you said earlier but are these social media comedies helping in this effort or are you finding resentment? >> guest: i think they are generally interested in helping. i think they also have natural incentives to drag their feet at times because there's a lot of potential exposure to commercial harm to them and being transparent. it takes a motivation on the part of the senior leadership team to understand that the impact of these technologies honor society are more important than the potential commercial harm of transparency and or any given disclosure. obviously, they have a need to protect individuals private data and i do know some of the people working on this at facebook and i believe they have t

reach should be earned and not bought why a few reasons so it was a tell me what you think about jack dorsey is message versus mark zuckerberg well i mean it's interesting mark zuckerberg the frame of that hearing was we know we've messed up everything else but please trust us with your money because facebook wants to start a crypto currency in all of the tech platforms they have broken the public trust in such a big way i don't think facebook realizes how big of a problem they have with ads people have an expectation that when they see a political ad that the information will be true and that the network or the platform will be a gate keeper and keep false information out facebook doesn't seem to understand this twitter who i've been a huge critic of i'm not always a fan of the way they do things i think they see the writing on the wall i think they've seen how much terrible press facebook has gotten for their ads decision and decided that they want none of this that it's just easier not to take that ad money than to constantly be in the position of fact checking political ads jodi well. fa

jack dorsey said that political ads force targeted political messages on to people and because of social media's vast reach political ads can then be used to spread lies and misinformation twitter saying it will not be part of a situation in which politicians have the right to lie to the public simply because they pay for the advertising. i'm joined now by a man who is not shy about sharing his opinions about the news media and social media jeff jarvis is a journalism professor and author of several books including what would google do he joins me tonight from new york good to see you again you posted earlier today your thoughts about twitter banning political ads and you wrote that you're not going to please anyone with what you think why is that. well you just the popular opinion these days which we see on twitter itself that people should these services should ban political ads because there are some bad apples out there i think that's a mistake i think the intent that jack dorsey has is very good i think he's very thoughtful about this is trying to figure it out but i think that in a

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