dorsey blake. he has really shared with us, howard thurman, with a great deal even in these few minutes. i asked him about some of the books if you want to know more about thurman. tell us about the books. >> the most critical book to read is "jesus and the disinherited" and it was the first book among so many others. he has books about meditation and for those interested in racial issues in the racial divide, "luminous darkness" is a fabulous book and many don't know about it. dr. thurman's own choice was "the inward journey" and that was his favorite. to get a better understanding, i would read his autobiography. i love that one. >> for those who like centerin pr, "the centeringent" and there s he wrote that speaks out differently. the other is "the mood of christmas" with beautiful poetry. >> that's true. some great ones. one just came out, "the parables of jesus" and i just picked it out. i'm fascinated by that and after you told me, i went to order a copy. >> great. i think i got the last copy