dorsey blake. >>> welcome back. if you didn't know who howard thurman was, you get an idea because of dorsey's intimacy with him. knowing him for all these years. pastoring the church for 25 years now. but you had a complication sometime ago. >> every year we have a convocation that we do it with the anniversary. we had an extraordinary panel and we talked about racism, immigration and collective liberation. we do it not only to introduce and commemorate thurman's life and work but we do it to say, let's move forward. howard thurman was born in florida in 1899. he became, there are many things about his childhood. he loved the darkness of his -- the sky and really loved nature. he became copastor of the fellowship church in 1944 and in 1953 became the first black man to be deemed in a predominantly white theological seminary. he was there for 12 years and was also able to expand. and he did so many critical things. dance, drama because he always wanted the service to surprise people. because that is part of being aw