doss, do you have an opinion? >> i don't know specifically about the issue you just raise but i know that epa has to clear all the food contact packaging material so if fda clears the than the manufacturer is able to use it and they've made the determination that they're the same to use. >> so we come to a dr. sharfstein para [laughter] >> there's got to be a standard of safety whether recycled or not there's got to be a standard of safety and so that's what fda and the forces. understanding in line of new evidence that comes out about particular substances and the latest science and the different concerns people have is fda job to weigh that but at the end of the day is that to be a standard of safety and got to apply the matter what's in the package. >> where are we right now with the issue of recycling? is there -- should consumers be concerned about buying bottled water it is recycled products? >> are you testing these products curly or are they available? >> we test the water, you know, it can be from recycle