dostoevsky said that you can judge to the level of civilization in a society by how it treats its prisoners. thank you. guest: @ thank you. i think it is very true. there are a lot of committed people in the prison industry that do care about this issue and who are trying to confront it, but it is obviously going to take a greater effort. host: what about sexual harassment, not just physical abuse, but verbal harassment? guest: @ it happened -- guest: @ it happens. it could be a prelude to the assault. one man testified was small in stature and when he went in he was cautiously sexually harassed by one of the guards' and ultimately won the guard was able to have isolated, he then was sexually assaulted by this guard. host: why, why would the guards do that? is it sexual abuse, violence of use, a control issue, a combination? guest: i think it is a combination. it is similar to domestic violence. it is power and control. host: mary is on the phone from van nuys, california. caller: i have a question for you. what would happen if a human being is violated with human- rights -- they judge wron