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>> guest: no, doubleday is my publisher for "dark money". >> host: doubleday. they will kill me.ic editor. >> host: we work with all of the publishers. sorry about that, doubleday. what kind of fact checking and lawyering goes into a book like this? >> guest: a lot. we are proud of it and at the new yorker we are very proud of it also. i went through not just first of all fantastic copy editing by doubleday. they went through it with a fine tooth comb and they fact checked so well. people say that publishers don't edit any more. that is so not true. on this book they edited beautifully at every level, but in addition, i hired an assistant who was fresh out of harvard where his brain cells were still working well and he went through the whole book with me very very carefully. 's name is andrew and he is not fox and he did a beautiful job researching and then i hired another round of fact checkers who had worked at the new yorker who were spectacular and they went through it also, and then i married glad to someone i say this bill hamilton who is now the washington editor of the "n

hidden history of the billionaires behind the rise of the radical right" by jane mayer published by doubleday. steven. >> caller: has a male editor who was doing his job ever been fired for being too abrasive? would your boyfriend joe abramson who eyes and was doing her job, would she have been fired if she was the male? >> guest: her predecessor at the new york times was pushed out before her. and partly what the it brief is, and there was something it would be a big issue. and reporting scandal took place. and according to them, you reach the top, these news organizations are struggling to survive. there's a lot of criticism for everything they do the doesn't succeed they are blamed at the top. it is hard to have these jobs. i think is a shame what happened to jill, jill is really truly one of the most talented and smartest journalists i note and she put out a fantastic newspaper. the reporting was really really good. are don't think anybody taught otherwise. i don't know. i just don't know. all i can say is it is up for everybody these days, journalism at the top. she is at harvard now. sh

that all of a sudden the editor from doubleday offers me a contract so i call it my agent and i said check my e-mail, we get a contract. but then i had to finish the book which was not that tough. so i kept writing and writing, and i finish the book. it was not as hard, i will once it was therapy but i i did enjoy it. every cop out there, has great stories. as the nature of their job. every. every night you are involved in people's lives. you're involved in their lives during crisis. not after doing that for 20 years, you have a million stories. not just everybody can write it and put it on paper. so i wrote the book, as i wasi i writing it, through some of the. stories i was afraid, i thought nobody was going to believe this. they're going to think i made this stuff up. i wrote one story about a busy night that i had in a four hour period, really in a four hour. i had a seven to 18-year-old shot, and two women stepped, and a family dispute that went crazy and a 24-year-old kid fall oute of a fourth floor window at a party and right before he hit the ground he clipped the back of his

baseball, hall of fame is in cooperstown because we think doubleday which we don't have any record he saw a game -- but the real story in hoboken is not good enough and so we perpetuate this myth and we're happy or reassure ourselves of this myth about the creation of baseball so, too, with jackie robinson. there are so many things which the sort of conventional wisdom, the superficial conventional wisdom obtains no matter what. we have to say, look, it's so much more interesting this way. henry: we as society needed that myth at that time. society produced myths that recognize sides of the aisle irreconcilable things. ken: if you go and look for it you don't find it in the mythology of jackie. you find another kind of mythology that maybe itself frozen but later on it sort of gravitates, as books get written and people's stories get handed down and red barber, the now-deceased broadcaster, told us this story that worked its way into our film.

doubleday which we don't have any record he saw a game -- but the real story in hoboken is not good enough and so we perpetuate this myth and we're happy or reassure ourselves of this myth about the creation of baseball so, too, with jackie robinson. there are so many things which the sort of conventional wisdom, the superficial conventional wisdom obtains no matter what. we have to say, look, it's so much more interesting this way. henry: we as society needed that myth at that time. society produced myths that recognize sides of the aisle irreconcilable things. ken: if you go and look for it you don't find it in the mythology of jackie. you find another kind of mythology that maybe itself frozen but later on it sort of gravitates, as books get written and people's stories get handed down and red barber, the now-deceased broadcaster, told us this story that worked its way into our film. but we read it in a few other places. and it comes, as you know, it's hard to turn around a ship that's got some momentum and i think what the constant requirement of historians, both professional and amate

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then all of a sudden the editor from doubleday calls me up, offers me a contractor i called my agent and i like check your e-mail. we've got a contract. the then i had to finish the book, which wasn't that tough. i kept writing and writing, and i finished a book. it wasn't as hard. i wouldn't say it was there be but i did enjoy it. every cop out there, not just become every cop out there has great stories. it's finish the job every night you were involved in peoples lives. you are involved in people's crisis.ringng after doing that for 20 years come you've got a million stories.on not everybody can write it and put on paper. so i wrote the book, and as i was writing it, through some of the stories i was afraid i'm like, nobody is going to believe this. they're going to think i'm making this stuff up. i wrote one story about a busy night that they had in a four i hour period, really in a fourero hour period i had a 17 year-old kid shot. i had two women stabbed in a family dispute that went crazy, and i had a 24 year-old kid fall out a fourth floor window at a party. and right before h

baseball, hall of fame is in cooperstown because we think doubleday which we don't have any record he saw a game -- but the real story in hoboken is not good enough and so we perpetuate this myth and we're happy or reassure ourselves of this myth about the creation of baseball . so, too, with jackie robinson. there are so many things which the sort of conventional wisdom, the superficial conventional wisdom obtains no matter what. we have to say, look, it's so much more interesting this way. henry: we as society needed that myth at that time. society produced myths that recognize sides of the aisle irreconcilable things. ken: if you go and look for it you don't find it in the mythology of jackie. you find another kind of mythology that maybe itself frozen but later on it sort of gravitates, as books get written and people's stories get handed down and red barber, the now-deceased broadcaster, told us this story that worked its way into our film. but we read it in a few other places. and it comes, as you know, it's hard to turn around a ship that's got some momentum and i think what th

baseball, hall of fame is in cooperstown because we think doubleday which we don't have any record he game -- but the real story in hoboken is not good enough and so we perpetuate this myth and we're happy or reassure ourselves of this myth about the creation of baseball and. so, too, with jackie robinson. there are so many things which the sort of conventional wisdom, the superficial conventional wisdom obtains no matter what. we have to say, look, it's so much more interesting this way. henry: we as society needed that myth at that time. society produced myths that recognize sides of the aisle irreconcilable things. ken: if you go and look for it you don't find it in the mythology of jackie. you find another kind of mythology that maybe itself frozen but later on it sort of gravitates, as books get written and people's stories get handed down and red barber, the now-deceased broadcaster, told us this story that worked its way into our film. but we read it in a few other places. and it comes, as you know, it's hard to turn around a ship that's got some momentum and i think what the c

baseball, hall of fame is in cooperstown because we think abner doubleday come we don't have any records a professional game, invented baseball, that the real story in hoboken isn't good enough and so we perpetuate this myth and we are happy to reassure ourselves with this myth about the creation of baseball when it's not. so, too, with jackie robinson. so many things of which the conventional wisdom, the superficial conventional wisdom, it's so much more interesting this way. >> we as a society needed that myth at that time. society has produced myths that reconcile irreconcilable things. >> that didn't develop until decades later. if you know and love for you to find in the mythology of jackie. can find another kind of maybe itself frozen but later on it gravitates as books get written in people's stories decanted down and red barber, the now deceased broadcaster, told is the star that worked its way into our film but we read in a few other places. it becomes as you know, it's hard to turn around the ship that got the momentum. i think what the cause requirement of the stories both pr