i think that's one dimension of the fact -- >> and doug bailey, who was another founding member had a great quote which is moderates are moderates, the idea of raising the sword of moderation and waving the bloody shirt of moderation. it's just a contradiction in terms. and the things about moderates is they have doubts. they see the world in shades of gray. if you have no doubts, whether this kms from religious certainty or political certainty, you're going to do whatever your view prevails. you'll make the perfect inventment. moderates, kind of pope. i think there's another aspect of this. >> if you this of it the other way, the -- so every movement had to crack the establishment had to do it from the bottom up. that's how goldwater did it. he had to organize the grass roots. the religious right, as lee pointed out, did the same thing. now the tea party. in all cases, any effort on the part of conservatives to battle the establishment has had to go through the grass roots rather than from the top down. so it's not that moderates were immune to or against doing this. they never reall

i think that's one dimension of the fact that this -- >> doug bailey, another founding member of the ripon society had a quote. moderates are moderate. raising the sword of moderation and marching on the street, it's a contradiction in terms. the thing about moderates they have doubts, they see the world in shades of grays. if you have no doubts whether that comes from religious certainty you're going to do whatever it takes. you'll make the person investment of your time, energy, passion to see that your view prevails. moderates kind of hope for the best. if it doesn't work out, that's okay too. >> i think there is another aspect to this, though. that is, we now talk about the moderates as this embattled narrow band always fighting for survival. in fact, if you think of it the other way the moderates were in many ways the establishment. and so every movement that attempted to crack the establishment couldn't do it from the top down. they had to do it from the bottom up. this was the essence of the goldwater revolution in '64, was to go out and organize the grass roots. the religious

doug had to wear in the oscar winning movie "up." a teacher thought i'll do the same thing with my students. >> oh, boy. >> lori bailey, a teacher at the zephyrhills school in tampa, florida. basically when students were late or talking on their phones she put a real dog collar on them. the students thought it was funny. this is what tam isha had to say to in florida. >> we did the stuff. she asked us before. we were joking around. >> i think it's hilarious but i'm going to guess she probably got into trouble for this. >> she did get in trouble. a parent saw it and they said uh-uh. >> i don't care if it's a joke or not. that's a human, not an animal. i don't feel she should be here. >> what she should be outraged about is late to class, texting, the kid herself said she should get in trouble. >> how is this different from a dunce cap. >> it isn't. times have changed and people say, no, i don't want that happening to my kid. >> parents aren't the only ones upset. the superintendent of the school said she, quote, used extremely poor judgment and recommended the teacher be terminated. but the teacher says she's going to appeal. >> i hope