and doug gansler, talk about obviously this one is on television. they were watching. talk about what it means in police procedures going forward. the effect on the street of these arrests for the conducted description by the prosecutor today, which sounds to me in many cases like routine conduct in putting people in these vans and whether or not they need help. >> so you're seeing it on national television right now, so it does happen every day. >> doug, doug, what i meant was on one of these officers is charged with looking at him in the van and helping him get back into his seat, but not putting the seat belt on. and then very importantly, not getting him medical help even though he asked for it. now, police officers not getting people medical help when they ask for it from the back of those vans, that happens every day, every day in america. >> i think they're going to get medical help. but in this particular case, it's unclear. we've only heard half baked facts and rumored innuendo. but apparently he was asking for medical help because of an asthma condition. that

. >> joining me now doug gansler, former attorney general.rly the controversy over this concert, i can't get my head around the supposed conflict of interest here. let's say there was a street rally held for victims of crime in west baltimore or in the west side of chicago or a neighborhood beset by gang crime, there was a rally for victims of crime and the local prosecutor got up at that rally and said i'm here to fight for you and some people in the crowd were victims of family members, or family members of victims whose assailants were being pros you cuted at that moment, no one would call that a conflict. they would call that the prosecutor doing their job, right? >> yeah. so there's no conflict of interest here. the question is whether there's a conflict of interest in the terms of a politician. this is a woman who six months ago was running in an insurance company. she won the race just coming off an election and at this time once your politics is done the sentiment that you're hearing is maybe she should go back and start to think abou

joining me now is former maryland attorney general doug gansler and former prosecutor and now defense attorney keisha hebbin. doug let me start with you. you've heard the sort of theory of the case being offered by the prosecutor today. does that fitted with the charges being brought, including this one case of second-degree murder? >> well, look, there's two different courts of opinion that are being dealt with or two different courts. one is the court of public opinion and one is the legal system. as you said, the legal system begins today, and the charges are actually quite interesting. you know we don't know what happened. she put the time line out there today that obviously the most difficult charge to ultimately prove before a jury will be the second-degree murder charge, the depraved heart because it will be -- it will be pretty difficult to show that there was an intent to kill by any of the police officers particularly someone just driving the paddy wagon, who drives paddy wagons every day and somebody's spine was hurt. >> i don't mean -- can i stop you there, but i want to d