doug mastriano is hard-core election denier. he stands to oppose democracy, which is of course the principle that people get to choose their leaders and don't have leaders shoved down their throats by force. he would govern along those lines. as governor, he would have the authority to appoint pennsylvania's secretary of the commonwealth, which oversees elections. when you think that person's gonna be like if doug mass rhino appoints? them mastriano even explicitly says he will appoint the appointee wipe them clean and require every single as all bill pennsylvania person a vote. if there's any lingering doubts about his intentions listen to this conversation live stream with a supporter during his victory? >> when you want to tell us tonight about as you're about to clinch victory? >> we're gonna send a message to the united states of america, when pennsylvania changes things will change, it will be fantastic. >> 20 electoral votes as well. >> 20 electoral votes as well. now you could say, we are going to make sure that donald t

think of doug mastriano, the republican candidate for governor in pennsylvania.heory democrats have there is, hey, this is a weak candidate. this allows us to win, whatever the scene is. but democrats are playing with fire here? >> it's scary. i will admit -- it makes me a little nervous to try to play god. i would say, in the defense -- you talk about doug mastriano in pennsylvania, he is the republican nominee. he, you know, was a big january six, he wasn't there, but a big supporter. but the answer the democrats are running, it's not as if they are running attack ads against the republicans that they think might be a tougher, general election candidate. they're just running ads about that person's record. they're just running ads about what doug mastriano -- >> the theory that it's gonna elevate him with the republicans. >> for democrats to attack him, it will elevate him. it is scary. i mean, i've been in these situations where, you know, the same thing in michigan, where a lot of the republican candidates have been taking off of the ballot. they've been chal

doug mastriano is happy to be a human shield for donald trump. that is what got him to the big stage. mike pompeo, he's got a long career ahead of him. he didn't lose all that way just to carry trump's water. what are these two guys had it for? >> right, two different interviews, but speaking with sources who are familiar with them, neither produced the kind of information the january 6th committee had hoped for. the first one lasted very quickly. it was with doug mastriano, who went in with his lawyer virtually. they basically told the committee they weren't properly constituted, and they wanted to video record the interview. once the committee told them they couldn't do that, and no other witnesses were allowed to do that, they immediately ended the interview. and, now they're talking about sueing the committee. we'll wait to see how the committee will respond to that. but i have a feeling that could escalate, with sort of action coming from the committee. the other mike pompeo lasted longer, and the committee did have questions about the 25th

and in the race for governor, josh shapiro is leading republican doug mastriano by 15 points. democrats are up in all five of those races across those key swing states, and it is starting to make conservatives freak out. so tucker carlson's advice was to urge republicans to campaign more on demonizing immigrants and homeless people, because, tucker carlson. but the problem that republicans are facing right now isn't simply a messaging problem about demonizing poor and brown people. the fact is republicans have nominated a truly bonkers crop of candidates. >> i've never really felt it was societies responsibility to take care of other people's children. >> on january six, i never felt threatened. it's where tens of thousands of black lives matter and antifa protesters, i might have been concerned. >> the fact of the matter is, this didn't seem like an armed insurrection to me. >> don tommy joe biden won 81 million votes. don't insult my intelligence. i refuse to have it. >> the largest standing army in the world are american gun owners. we've got over a trillion rounds of ammo

ron desantis goes to pennsylvania to support trump enjoys january 6th attendee and candidate doug mastriano. all back in for the, desantis is bringing his far-right agenda to the classroom. the state telling educators what they must teach and what they are not allowed to say. tonight, part two of our special report. and democrats, hopeful as republicans run scared. new polling showing the gop is trump backed candidates could cost them a chance at taking the senate. republican strategist mike murphy who is fed up with this party joins us live. plus, a trump ally lindsey graham tells us he must testify next week. andrew weizmann, former prosecutor and senior member of robert mueller's team is our guest. but tonight, we begin with the story. the man waiting in the wings. while donald trump is finding a torrent of investigations, there is one person who has been ready to take the mic, should the former president go bankrupt, be caught in jail, or fall into a classified box. that man is florida republican governor ron desantis. the first term governor has catapulted to celebrity status among rep

. >> what do you know about doug pas mastriano, scheduled to appear before the january 6th committee. >> he's scheduled to appear in a virtual appearance before the january 6th committee. doug mastriano is a close ally of donald trump, chartered buses on january 6th, talking behind the scenes with the justice department as donald trump was trying to make shthese efforts overturn the 2020 election. his lawyer has been at a cross roads with the committee, and they have been arguing about the terms of the appearance. we're hearing that he will show up virtually. this could be a short appearance. by the time we get to swearing him in, we see mastriano begin to back away from this. one thing he wants is to make his own recording of the interview or to have complete access to the recording of the interview. not surprisingly the committee is not agreeing with that. we reached out for comment, the committee declined to comment. >> what does the committee want to know from mastriano. >> they're going to want to know a lot about what brought him there on january 6th. but also these behind the s

doug mastriano, who posed in a confederate uniform, needs to lose. the extremist threads in their own party. it can't be defeated just from the other side. >> no, nicole, you're right. this is possibly a worst case scenario for republicans. they thought they were cruising to a historic midterm election. biden's numbers were down and they wanted this election to be about joe biden, but now we're in a post-dobbs america and an america where donald trump has now inserted himself into the political dialogue. two terrible dynamics for republicans, and then they're burdened by a number of really bad candidates. democrats might just be able to pull off defying history in november by saving the house and saving the senate, but i would tell you it's going to take something very special, and we saw it in joe biden last thursday in rockville, maryland. just as the lincoln project is laying down the fear, if you will, of what's on the line, joe biden and democrats need to invite independents and those mainstream republicans into the coalition. joe biden, on thur

so that could be doug mastriano making the appointment, mastriano is a vehement denier who also charteredtrump rally on january 6th. and i think it is fair to call him as well as an extremist on this subject. >> and influence over elections. daniel dale, thank you so much for breaking down the numbers for us. >>> joining us to speak about the potential repercussions of this is republican strategist sarah longwell, founder of the republican accountability project, co-founder of defending democracy together. these organizations in part pushing back on republicans who deny the election. sarah, good to have you back on the program. >> thank you for having me. >> so, until now this had been a theoretical threat, right? you might have folks in positions of power who could potentially act to overturn election results in the next cycle. now several of them have won at least the nominations now for folks at whom who are watching, does this mean that in 2024 there could very well be or even likely in some states be people in positions of power who can do that? >> yeah, there absolutely could be. no

sdug mas doug mastriano, herschel walker. it is everybody that donald trump endorsed. so you have to defeat the ones that believe that the election was stolen, running on the election lies. they have to be defeated and only through sustained electoral defeat does the republican party have any incentive to come back from this incredible anti-democratic place it finds itself right now. >> and so listen to what liz cheney said last night about carrying on her fight against donald trump and trumpism. >> we must be very clear eyed about the threat we face and what is required to defeat it. i have said since january 6 that i will do whatever it takes to ensure donald trump is never again anywhere near the oval office and i mean it. >> she was able to do a lot and perhaps will continue to be able to do a lot as vice chair of the january 6 committee, but what happens after she leaves congress in december/january? >> well, she made it clear she certainly will continue on. i think that it is notable that while she raised $15 million for a house race, she hasn't spent all that mu

illegal immigrants anymore. >> lines like that from pennsylvania republican gubernatorial candidate doug mastrianoa mega friendly crowd in pittsburgh this year, but they resonated less well with pennsylvania voters statewide. a poll shows that mastriano is trailing behind his opponent by 15 points. he -- trump endorsed candidates are behind, and democrats are starting to get maybe a little excited. joining me now is longtime republican strategist mike murphy who is advised republican candidates including john mccain, jeb bush, and mitt romney. he is the co-host of must listen. thank you for joining me. whose fault is all of this? mitch mcconnell is bemoaning the quiet candidate quality. is it his fault, is it fox news, is that donald trump? how is it? how did we get here? >> one, congrats on the show, alex. great to see you. two, if you have to blame somebody, start with the crazy that spoken up the republican primary, and i think has been whipped into a problem for republicans by none other than donald j trump. if -- generically, this is supposed to be a great election for republicans. off year,

and doug mastriano refused to answer any more questions. the committee wants to hear from him.person in pennsylvania when donald trump's false elector, he was at the capitol on january 6th. he bused people to washington that day for the rally. they have a lot of questions for him. so i'm very interested to see what the next step is here now that mr. mastriano has pulled out of this interview process. >> luke, thank you very much. coming up, inside, a disturbing new study that shows how more than half of all infectious diseases have been made worse by climate change. >>> first up though, the president signed the chips act into law which he says will boost high-tech manufacturing right here in the united states. the white house senior adviser, mitch landrieu, there he is, joins me now. they only cover select cities with 5g. so, for me and the hundreds of drivers in my fleet, staying connected, cutting downtime, and delivering on time depends on t-mobile 5g. and with coverage of over 96% of interstate highway miles, they've got us covered. (vo) unconventional thinking delivers fou

reporter: far right candidates are coming under scrutiny for associating with hate groups, including doug mastriano, the republican nominee for governor in pennsylvania he regularly posted on a social media site known for anti-semitism and paid the site consulting fees until criticized in the media and kari lake, arizona's republican nominee for governor under pressure today, rescinding her endorsement of an oklahoma state senate candidate who used homophobic and anti-semitic language. all of this with the high stakes, midterm elections less than three month away lester >> andrea mitchell, thank you. >>> our troubling report and how the end of a pandemic-era program could leave some kids without lunch in schools >>> as students head back to the classroom, there's new concern from parents about the public schools in their communities. brand-new nbc news polling finds just 37% of parents say they feel pretty confident in their schools' ability to help students catch up with learning loss due to covid. even fewer say they feel very confident about schools having enough teachers and staff available to

it's fascinating, doug mastriano hasn't done that, so he's the exception to the rule here.they do a lot more polling than we do. polling is expensive. the fact that they are focusing on these changes suggests we understand these are pointing of weakness. i think that itself bolsters the idea. but we are still at some distance from election day. and i think there is a lot of enthusiasm among democrats right now that have happened over the course of the past several weeks that no one should feel confident are going to carry through to november. they may. that may be the case. but there is still a lot of time for things to change. we've seen changes against democrats, and i think that that is sort of the asterisk that hangs around all of this. >> another thing about this issue of what you focus on in a general election, it's also happening to the democrats. you just had tim ryan from ohio on. he's on here for the second day in a row on cnn bashing joe biden's big student debt relief plan. there's a reason he's bashing it, because he's trying to pivot more to what middle class,

you know, the other person is doug mastriano, a republican nominee for governor in pennsylvania.nes to try to push donald trump's election fraud claims with the justice department. he publicly bussed people to the capitol on january 6th. you know, we don't believe that he is going to be a very helpful witness. in fact, by now his appearance could already be over. you know, people in his camp made it pretty clear that they could not reach an agreement with the committee about some of the logistics surrounding his virtual appearance today. >> sarah, we have another story that's colliding really with this january 6th investigation. the committee now, we understand, is in possession of those text messages from alex jones. those were part of the lawsuit that was brought against him by parents of a sandy hook victim. so how do you think those text messages are going to play a role in this january 6th investigation. >> well, you know, i think one thing it shows you is just how wide the committee has been going and the information they've searched for to ask for these to seek out these m

and they will also hear from doug mastriano >>> the family of gabby petito is filing a $50 million lawsuitsay moab police failed to recognize that gabby was in danger when she and her boyfriend were pulled over last augment her body was discovered in grand teton national park in wyoming. >>> police in california are investigating the possible abduction of a 16-year-old girl from a campground party. authorities say kylie rodney was last seen just after midnight on friday at a party of more than 100 young people in truckee, close to lake tahoe. the placer county sheriff's office says they're treating it as an abduction, because they have the no been able to find her car, a silver 2013 honda crv. in an emotional appeal, her mother urged anyone with information to come forward. >>> the country is mourning the loss of acclaimed author and historian david mccullough his publisher announced he had died on sunday he was called a national treasure he won two pulitzer prizes for biographies on presidents john adams and harry truman he is also known for lending his voice as narrater for "sea biscuit"

prosecuting him would be not prosecuting him. >> betsy, you have some brand-new reporting out that doug mastrianof his interview with the january 6th committee if they don't let his lawyers record the session? is this again about election disinformation? >> mastriano several months ago said that he would participate, he would cooperate with the january 6th committee and he turned over documents and the vast majority of the documents he turned over were public social media postings. at the time he said said he would participate in a voluntary interview. since theyaried thoed meetings that we all watched that we effectively viewed brief video clips from witnesses to make the case against trump, mastriano's lawyers are taking a different perspective saying they believe the committee could try to release selectively edited clips to try to harm mastriano's competitor, and he's the nominee for the powerful job. ? mast ri an on will only show up if mastriano can make his own copy and his own interview so they will be able to release counter clips that any of the community puts out. this pitch is totally

you look at pennsylvania's gubernatorial nominee, doug mastriano, election denier, out in arizona, karin denier, this is pervasive, and i'm watching ohio senate race, can tim ryan, a populist democrat, beat jd vance in a tough year and can john fetterman running for senate in pennsylvania upset dr. oz in a state that went for trump in 2016? >> i'm curious how democrats are really able to capitalize on the d dobbs decision t. this is very unclear. ckansas is this place where voters have a chance to vote on a constitutional amendment to change abortion rights in the state. i sat down with the vp shortly after the decision came out. and she told me, this is something that she has personally been going out to states, north carolina, indiana, where it is not entirely settled law yet. i don't know that any of us really know how it is going o play out. >> polling shows it is not working. democrats think the white house isn't doing a good job in making the case. >> they haven't sufficiently done a good enough job yet, but it is one thing democrats could -- if they want to shift the conversation

you saw this example recently of the democrats helping doug mastriano in that pennsylvania governor'srace that made you feel icky. i don't know if you saw this is the it's like a white nationalist, insane person who is who's going to who's the republican nominee for governor. he was there on january 6th. he's going to be the republican nominee for governor of pennsylvania. and and, you know, the democrats, because he was going to be easier to beat. they did some ads to help boost him. you know, the first order person to blame for doug mastriano being the republican nominee is the republicans who voted for him. but but, you know, it's still you get a little caught up in the clever tactics. i think when you're doing that. so i think that there are some lessons that are broadly applicable you in profiling yourself and profiling i don't know that you of you are you know, you talk about your motivations. you talk about your being closeted and the effect that that had in being able to compartmentalize. obviously all of that. i'm curious when look at all of the other people who you wrote abo

doug mastriano.o is leading the polls, but mastriano is making headlines, mostly because-- without getting too technical-- he is banana-balls. ( laughter ) how so? well, for one thing, he chartered buses to the "stop the steal" rally of january 6, and was part of the mob that marched on down to the capitol. so, no surprise, if he wins ( audience booing ) you were late with your booing. you have to get faster with that next time. if he wins, he's pledged to purge pennsylvania's election rolls, forcing everyone in the state to have to reregister to vote. it explains-- ( audience booing ) that one was too early, but thank you. it explains his yard signs: "vote mastriano... while you still can." in recent weeks, mastriano has come under fire for his association with the far-right social media platform "gab," a safe haven for white supremacists, antisemites, and other extremists. so, it's like twitter except... yeah, it's twitter. basically it's twitter. mastriano has been endorsed by the founder of "gab,

state senator doug mastriano who is an election denier, who was present outside of the capitol on januaryth along with doctor oz. doctor oz who's trying to show up please standing with the right-wing base. the pair has nil in common, but what connects them is their support for donald trump. with risk to these candidates pose their elected in november? >> there's huge risk for voters for lawfully register to vote in the state of pennsylvania. look, you and i both know that pennsylvania has been ground zero for voters suppression for years now. and it has a universal mail-in ballot. that is the law of the state that makes it easier for folks to vote, particularly if you're black. particularly if you're elderly, a person with disabilities. one of the things that republicans are trying to do right now, and it does build off the big lie, which is an old lie that somehow this protects elections, is to make it harder for people to vote over people of color from urban areas are elderly. and if these candidates win, they will be advancing for instance efforts to take that lot away from voters. tha

that includes trump and people like kari lake, doug mastery auto -- doug mastriano, and so many other candidates on the ballot in november. host: let's hear from our next caller, democrat line. caller: yeah, i like what you are doing, but you should go all the way back to number one, as far as the $1 million, he blew that. companies went through bankruptcy. he filed bankruptcy six times and his workers -- i would love to see a series of commercials like that. do you know what that is telling me? management. he cannot manage anything. are you doing commercials like that? i think you would pull a lot of gop people if you consistently ran those commercials. host: that's ronald in new york. guest: yeah, it sounds to me like what the caller is saying, and i completely agree with this, was that trump was unfit from the very beginning. frankly, there were lots of republicans who agreed with me on that point, but many of them decided to get on board once trump won the republican nomination and then later, when he won the presidency. there were so many people who argued because of his life in

he opposed exceptions for rape and incest, and the nominee for governor in pennsylvania is doug mastrianosaid he opposed any exceptions, including to save the life of the mother. >> mr. mastriano, can you define your position, and would you support abortion exceptions for rape, incest or the life of the mother. >> i am a pro-life. it's the number one issue. i don't give away for exceptions either. >> joining me now is liz plank, the author of "for the love of men," a book on toxic masculinity and the host of "the recount live." it's always a pleasure to have you with me. do republicans really, do they really, liz, have an appreciation for how much the abortion rights issue is motivating democrats to vote right now? >> be careful what you wish for because what you wish for might not be what you actually wanted. i think that for years the conversation around abortion has always been very secretive. it's always been ironically led by a lot of men but very emotional. we sort of tend to think that women are the emotional gender. it's a very emotional conversation to compare abortion to murder.

doug mastriano has used gab to get out messages.have people right here in the state of new york saying disgusting anti-zionist things coming from the political left. it remind us that anti-semitism isn't the sole property of any political party. it can happen across the spectrum and all of it should alarm us. >> the adl on its website has alerts as well as logs of a lot that's been happening on the dark web as well as the web. thank you so much. >>> and sounds of resistance. ukrainian musicians using their instruments to battle the russian invasion. battle the russian invasion dogs have been such an important part of my life. i have flinn and a new puppy. as i was writing, i found that i just wasn't as sharp and i new i needed to do something so i started taking prevagen. i realized that i was much more clear and i was remembering the details that i was supposed to. prevagen keeps my brain working right. prevagen. healthier brain. better life. new astepro allergy. prevagen keeps my brain working right. now available without a prescr

today, trump secretary of state mike pompeo and pennsylvania republican gubernatorial candidate doug mastriano. although we do not have any details on the pompeo interview, nbc news learned that mastriano who was subpoened ended his interview after 15 minutes refusing to answer any questions. the doj has also called several high-ranking trump officials to testify. last week, pat cipollone and his deputy pat philbin were both scheduled to appear before a grand jury. also pence's legal counsel, greg jacob and his chief of staff marc short testified before the grand jury. and the former aide to chief of staff mark meadows, cassidy hutchinson who's cooperating with the doj. in fulton county georgia, rudy giuliani, trump's county lawyer is ordered to appear before a grand jury next week. now he's trying to delay his testimony for health reasons. we already knew that trump's current legal team is in talks with the doj, but last night we got the enormous news of the fbi search of mar-a-lago which of course puts the investigation into a whole new light, we will discuss the ramifications of that search

so in pennsylvania you have the non-team crazy republicans going along with doug mastriano who ought michigan, peter meijer who has gone out of his way to say that -- that this election denying has -- posses an existential threat to democracy and the next day an election denier embraces him. so it's part of this team loyalty that ignores all of the other issues that are happening here and very, very disappointing because meijer had made a strong case. he voted for the impeachment of the president and now he's going along with it. there is a moment at which you put country over party and michael, i mean, you've done that. it is possible and yet it is vanishingly rare among republican officials, but that's the question. what comes first? the country, a democratic republic or your party loyalty and we're seeing the choices they're making. >> i would like to see folks take a damn stand for the country and stick with it. just stick with it, you know? but here we are. nick, thanks very much for your reporting. charlie, always thank you, my friend. >> thank you. >> up next, wnbc star brittn

i'm really watching is what is going to happen in pennsylvania because the republican nominee, doug mastriano who was a marcher on january 6th and part of the insurrection, he had said that if he wins, he is immediately going to ban abortions in pennsylvania. the fifth largest state in the country. and a very purple state, i would say. and so is that actually going to help or hurt the down-ballot candidate like dr. oz? is he going to be lumped in or are there enough independent voters that it gives democrats an advantage in a state like pennsylvania where abortion could be front and center on the ballot. >> abortion, we talked about the abortion ruling from the start, we talked about how it's going to definitely impact republicans with suburban moms, with suburban women, with college-educated, whatever, soccer mom, whatever we want to call swing voters, women swing voters in the atlanta suburbs, in the philly suburbs, in the i-4 corridor, and yet there is another side to that story, isn't there? older hispanic voters may actually move the republican party's way because of that. so this decisi

now you have someone like doug mastriano, he's running away from his pro-life position saying no exceptionsg -- they don't really believe what they were saying in the first place. so pro life will run away from him as he runs a away from them as he has to stand up for convictions he maybe never really had. >> all right. thank you both very much. we appreciate it. >>> nor breaking news on cnn. both israel and islamic jihad militant movement in palestinian areas of that region, they have reached a cease-fire agreement, and that will begin minutes from now we're hearing. this comes after a weekend of violence where more than 40 people were killed in gaza. cnn's ben wedeman joins me now from jerusalem. ben, this has the foe ten -- potential to be a significant development. you know sometimes these cease-fire agreements don't last very long, but what is the latest? >> reporter: that cease-fire agreement, which was announced by the israeli government just about 23 minutes ago, will go into effect in just about three minutes. but what we're hearing is, up to the wire, there are still israeli air s

there is eric schmidt, missouri 's governor for senate, the secretary of state for indiana, and doug mastriano from pennsylvania, was allen for secretary state now yeah. adam laxalt, for nevada, and jim marchant, nevada's republican nominee for secretary of state. all election deniers. they do not believe in liberal democracy. until today, in 2022. it was the republican playbook here to give the victor playbook, and to give what they want. even continuing to call it fascism. jason stanley, a professor of philosophy on how fascism works, the politics of austin them. kimberly crenshaw, a pioneering scholar and writer on civil rights, critical race theory, and the law. she is the founder of critical race theory, in fact, and the distinguished professor of law of the ucla in columbia university. they both join me now. jason, let's start with you, and let's cut to it. was it fascism on display at cpac? was that a fascist and that american conservatives were embracing, and applauding? >> first of all, we need to remember, just because there is not mass murder happening, at the moment, does not mean

pompeo's interview is the second of the day, this morning, doug mastriano, republican nominee for governor the man who marched to the january 6th insurrection, although he says not inside the capitol. he showed up with an attorney. mastriano did not answer any questions. the meeting only lasted about 15 minutes. joining me msnbc national reporter sahor kapur. >> reporter: he left less than 15 minutes after the dispute of the terms of the arrangement, the committee, mastriano and the attorney did not agree on it. notably, one thing that mastriano seems to have learned you don't blow the committee off. that's how you get a contempt charge, and bannon did that. on pompeo, he's expected to appear virtually before the committee. and details are shrouded in mystery, unlike mastriano, pompeo was not subpoenaed. it's come by that the cabinet secretary were discussing the possibility of invoking the 25th amendment after january 6th to remove then president trump from power. former white house aide cassidy hutchinson said she had heard there was such chatter who then got in contact with mark meadows

. >> we are still monitoring mar-a-lago, and tomorrow, toward the new york times reports that doug mastriano and mike pompeo, we'll be meeting with the january six committee, so there's a lot going on. but next, tonight's other big news. the history making vote, after the senate working weekend, when the 11th hour continues. while we keep an eye on mar-a-lago there is other news we're following tonight. democrats celebrating after the senate passed a multi billion dollar deal. the block buster inflation reduction act move through the house this week where it is expected to passed and sent to the presidents desk. it is a huge win for the democratic party and the president and it includes several key items, including the largest climate investment in u.s. history, lower drug costs for seniors, and 15% minimum tax on corporations with a billion bucks plus an income. with us tonight jeff stein, white house economic reporter for the washington post and victoria defrancesco desoto nbc political analyst and dean of the clinton school of public service at the university of arkansas. jeff, talk to us

before the committee is the current republican nominee running for governor in pennsylvania, doug mastrianog an interview with the committee as well. we'll see what, if anything, he says and gives to the committee, but what are the chances that he tries to use this to his advantage in a race where he needs a trump base to turn out in a big way, kind of jumps off our conversation in the last block. >> it didn't pappear that that appearance yielded much information. of course our colleagues had been reporting, sarah and zack, about the idea he wasn't expected to say much because there was a huge disagreement over how that interview was being conducted. he had his own recording and accounting of what happened in that interview. we know the committee itself has been taping them as we've seen from many of the hearings that have been airing. it appears they could not come to an agreement on that front. i do think there are a lot of questions for mastriano that the committee likely had about the efforts that he spearheaded to try to overturn the election. remember, there was that hearing that he h

he's out there supporting election deniers, kari lake in arizona, doug mastriano in pennsylvania, and the skelsh f is the official term, but the idea of toppling the civil service or blowing up american bureaucracy. these are becoming to some extent the new litmus test, not for trump, well, for trump too, but for trump's base, that there are things you have to say if you want to stay in the good graces of that base or there are things that these candidates or perspective candidates think they probably have to say. and it makes it very hard to break ahead of trump because by saying it, you're elevating trump. it's like -- it's a catch-22, for all of these would-be 2024 hopefuls. >> yet, you know who else has co-opted trump. so much of what joe biden has done in the last year is stuff that trump campaigned on. right? infrastructure, being tough on china when it comes to -- it's really remarkable. but that's the policy part of it. that a lot of republicans don't seem to be all that interested in co-opting. >> he has had some victories just in the last few weeks that democrats will be abl

doug mastriano in pennsylvania is another example of that. >> and gloria, of course now, these candidatesrepublicans, trump-backed candidates are headed to general elections, have to face the entire electorate. do you think those republican also stay on that trajectory because of what worked in the primary or will they have to pull back a bit to be, broaden their appeal to the general electorate? >> we've already seen in pennsylvania dr. oz is trying to distance himself a little bit from donald trump. i think the story has to be written, and it hasn't been written yet and we don't know how it's going to turn out, because if these candidates are continuing to tout donald trump, donald trump, donald trump, we see the january 6th committee. you see grand jury investigations, what's going on in mar-a-lago with classified documents, et cetera. we don't know how that's really going to play out yet, and in a general election, will candidates who are just about trump and just about election denying, how are they going to do with independent voters? are they going to bring out democratic voters? s

he has coming to pennsylvania tomorrow to campaign with doug mastery on a -- doug mastriano, anothergoing to pennsylvania is a great clue that ron desantis is running for president. the day before he goes on a presidential jag, he is making a big announcement about election fraud. reporter: fair to say that 20 votes would not change an election one way or another. amy gardner, we will be following your work. thank you. ♪ judy: in western ukraine today president zelenskyy hosted turkey's president and the u.n. secretary general, both architects of a deal last month that allows ukraine to export food amid the war and a global food shortage. but has that u.n. brokered deal been effective in achieving its goals so far? nick schifrin has the story. reporter: the u.n. called it a beacon of hope, one of the worlds bread baskets once again able to export. for three weeks ukrainian ships have left ukrainian ports through a russian blockade. today, three of the guarantors of the deal met in ukraine's west to assess howar they have come and how far they still had to go. >> there is a global nee

in pennsylvania where i am for example, doug mastriano who has peddled conspiracy theories is the republicaninee for governor. we've seen elections up and down the ballot in various states, really a sobering thought when you think about what these trends represent. i think that there is some skepticism about whether these ultra maga candidates can be viable in general elections and we've seen some liberal pacs even work to get trump-endorsed candidates the nominations anticipating that they would be easier to beat in a general election. to me i think that is playing with fire. over and over we've seen the repudiation of establishment politicians. i don't think that impulse is fading and given trump's resurgent base particularly in the wake of the mar-a-lago search, i think the possibility of those republican candidates gaining momentum is even stronger now. >> absolutely. as we look ahead to the other primaries under way in alaska, we know that lisa murkowski has advanced thousand as has sarah palin. interesting really that palin was almost the precursor to trump, you know, heading into this

. >> switching gears, to the pennsylvania gubernatorial candidate, doug mastriano.photo of mastriano posing in uniform -- confederate uniform at army war college. the keystone state was the site of some of the bloodiest fighting during the civil war. when tens of thousands from the state died defending the union. now you have mastriano supported by donald trump who is at the capitol on january six to try to overturn a free and fair election, running for governor. is this photo a bad thing for someone connected to a modern insurrection? >> it's a bad look for anyone at any time connected to any thing at all. this is unacceptable. this is 2014 -- you can't say you are six years old going to a halloween party, like some elected officials have said before. this is not too long ago. this was less than a decade ago. and let's just add to that. not only is he an insurrectionist, not only was he wearing the confederate uniform, he's losing in the polls right now. and he has ties to an anti systematic social media site that he paid to do some advertisement for him. it doesn'

sources say investigators are meeting with former secretary of state mike pompeo and doug mastriano, nominee for governor in pennsylvania. cnn's sara murray has the details for us. first, what does the committee hope to learn from those two key figures? >> well, look, pompeo played a pivotal role in the administration. he was a close trump ally but he was also reportedly involved in discussions about the 25th amendment and removing trump from office. that is certainly what the committee is going to want to know from pompeo. when it comes to mastriano, they may have wanted to learn a lot about any conversations with trump about efforts he may have made to overturn the election, but it was a really quick appearance. only 15 minutes, and he didn't answer any of the committee's questions. >> in georgia, rudy giuliani seeking to postpone his testimony before the grand jury investigating interference in the 2020 election there. a judge just handed down his decision. what is it? >> that's right. giuliani was supposed to appear for testimony today and instead he decided to challenge that say

he's coming to pennsylvania tomorrow to campaign with doug mastriano, one of the other big election deniersund in my survey, the gubernatorial nominee in pennsylvania. so going to pennsylvania is a great clue that ron desantis is running for president, which we have all been speculating about already. but -- so the day before he goes on a presidential jag, he's making a big announcement about election fraud. i mean, that tells you everything right there. amna: fair to say 20 votes would not change an election one way or the other. amy gardner, the reporting is so important. we will be following your work in the washingn post. amy: thank you. amna: thank you. ♪ judy: in western ukraine today, president volodymyr zelenskyy hosted turkeys president and t u.n. secretary general. both architects of a deal last month that allows ukraine to export food to prevent war and global food shortage. but has that deal been effective in achieving its goals so far? >> to you and called it a beacon of hope, one of the worlds red baskets once again able to export. for three weeks, ships carrying ukrainian gra

we learned that doug mastriano, trump's pick for governor in pennsylvania, the republican nominee, ande -- is going to be called before the 1/6 committee. he's going to do a virtual deposition in the very limited time that we have left, what do you think the 1/6 committee will want to know from doug mastriano? >> i don't know, actually, john, so that's not something, you know, i have been privy to. i'm not sure what they're looking for. i did want to say one thing about the attorney general of michigan and nessel. i think it's actually, you know, if she were just operating politically, i don't think she would have sought a special prosecutor. she'd have left these charges to cloud around him, because they're not going to be resolved before the election. so, what she has done here is actually the responsible thing by moving the case forward, opening herself up to these attacks and this guy can run against her on that, but at the end of the day, she's done what law enforcement does every day in, day out, which is to say, i've got to do this. if this guy wins, then this law will not be en

. >> in the coming hours trump ally doug mastriano is set to appear virtually before the house select committee investigating the january 6 capitol 1234urinsurrection, but source says he may not end up answering questions because of a dispute over the terms of his testimony. another trump ally is also scheduled to testify in georgia. rudy giuliani is asking a judge to postpone his testimony before the grand jury over interference in the 2020 election. his lawyer says giuliani underwent surgery last month and a doctor recommends that he not fly. >>> another round of rain is heading for the waterlogged state of kentucky. and flood watches have been reissued, thousands of people have already been displaced and many are still stranded without basic necessities. but it is not just kentucky, take a look at the situation in maryland. flash flooding making roads impassable in riverdale park monday. emergency crews were called this to rescue people from their cars. meteorologist pedram javaheri is here with the latest. how is it going? >> good morning, max. it has been a summer of heat and ext