doug schoen, i'll start with you. you know first, the first elemen there was the president having his hand over his heart. but ha hanovert that was for thn anthem. it wasn't for the american anthemnot the am. you've got the bill setting upgo a train, going to indiina. s is and my worry is and i think this is nonpartizan is that he is standing next to the leader of the world's o largest democracy. right. of india. inwhs to cozy up to india.a worl we've got a world that is realigning and everyone in the world is seeing this personal chaos, that there is a problem in the white house. r wo is am i is that too much or would you agree with that assessmentagree ? >> well, here's how i would say it. timing. there is in the polls real concern about joe bidenthis and this week, somethingd me you didn't mention concern me more, which is the secretary of state, goes to beijing, meets with president xi, and then joe biden calls callsthat a dictator. that raises about our whole conduct of foreign policy man having nothing to do d w

democratic strategist and pollster doug schoen joins us now. ve, for having me. >> steve: okay, so ron desantis and donald trump are getting all the headlines, what is it about this guy you are thinking he could be the guy that emerges between the fight and those two. >> well, about 65, 70% of republicans want an alternative to donald trump and desantis. they want credible alternatives. as you point out correctly steve, glenn youngkin has proven in a purple state he can win state popular, emphasize family rights in school, the whole need for parental responsibility, and a moderate to conservative version of republican that is inclusive and is not polarizing. >> steve: sure, to your point about polarizing. i know, you know, a lot of republicans have been talking a lot about the culture wars. ron desantis has had some high profile fights with things with disney and stuff like that whereas you write in your op-ed in the hill, you say that governor youngkin for the most part has been fighting things directly impacting parents and voters in the commo

doug schoen, former clinton advisor.to me about the recent polls show and is there any worry for democrats? they were saying trump eva's polling will really fall off. what is your take. >> there is a worry for democrats. the a.p. headline doesn't reflect voters will digest this. the first presidential election, harris, where the voters know more information about that laptop, about the deals in ukraine and china. about the fact that 51 intelligence national security experts lied in a letter, gave a political talking point to a debate and joe biden denied it being true. his son has a criminal record. if i were a democr, i woulbe distancing myself from the entire biden family. they get nothing out of joe biden except having to defend his poor record on everything and polls are underwater on tougher major issue. now this sort of aching little peek into hunter biden. it will be litigated by voters in 2024 if they contrast it to president trump who they feel is being treated unfairly. are >> harris: doug, talk to me about tha

we just talked to doug schoen, the pollster who worked for hillary clinton back in the day. she says -- he says that the governor of the commonwealth of virginia, mr. youngkin, has a real good chang chance of being the dark horse in this as trump and desantis duke it out, could glenn youngkin actually come into the race in the fall and do well? remember, it was back in the day before donald trump ran away with it on that debate stage the first debate it was going to be jeb bush and marco rubio. they were all leading. >> he might be able to do well because of his messages for schools. it feels like every day we are doing another story on another school district that's allowing. >> steve: exactly, virginia is a purple state. and he actually won, youngkin won by 10 points more than joe biden finished with back two years ago. >> brian: only the court case get youngkin in. if not for the court cases. >> steve: there are plenty of them. >> brian: they are honing that trump gets caught up in the court cases gets indicted or convicted. meanwhile miami mayor francis suarez extremely.

stephen miller, former senior adviser to presidentmir trump and founde of america first legal, and doug schoen, you cratic pollster and former adviser to president clinton. stephen, you and i were laughing, listening those fights, but it laughin is it isy sad. i think he actually she said, god bless america. and then she said you said he said you said i think he actually had forgotten god bless america there in the span of about 20 seconds. erdo you agree with me that it has to be biden for them? yes. i mean, you are in exactly >> y the same camp on this, laura. i know we've heard a lot of commentary saying we'rying we eg to wake up one morning and they're going to announce that joe biden, you're gone. angovernorn newsom you're in and we're done. it's just not that easy. they are anchored to joe biden. they are shackled. sure t >> this cognitively declined old man. and i'm sure they would love to be ablehe tbe abl to get a nr be able to get a whitmer. they certainly don't want kamalatmer.'t want , but there y way. there is no simple way w just bi to make joe biden disappear. so barring somethi