joining me now, doug thornell, democratic zprajs a former advisory to the democratic national committee, and joe watkins, republican strategist and former white house aide under president george h.w. bush. doug, let me go to you first. this idea even to be floated, denied, and then repeated as you just saw by the president, of sending migrants to sanctuary cities. let me get this right. he wants to build a wall, he wants at another point close the border. now he wants to send people that come across the border all over the united states to democratic sanctuary cities for no other reason than to punish his political opponents. >> yeah, rev. this man has a broken soul. every day he proves that to the american people. this is another example of that. many of these migrants are fleeing, asking for asylum, they're bringing children. and the president wants to use them as pawns in this game. and that is disgraceful. but it shows that this president has failed on the whole issue of immigration, both his supporters who wanted a wall and they wanted that wall paid for by mexico, they aren't goin