this is a pretty big scandal, isn't it, douglas brinkley? >> well, yes it is. and it makes everybody wonder what's going on in the secret service. so they're going to have to investigate themselves. they clearly -- these 11 officers, agents, clearly let president obama down. and, you know, it's one thing if you have an isolated incident. here's one person going to a prostitute. but the fact they're bringing this many amount of women back into the staff hotel where the white house staff was going to be staying just days before the president's visit, it's outrageous. and i think it's a story that we've got to fix. because secret service has been like our special forces. they've been beloved. they are beloved. they do such great work. but this is going to lose a lot of confidence that the american public had in them. >> let's watch a clip of president obama and what he said about this. >> if it turns out that some of the allegations that have been made in the press are confirmed, then of course i'll be angry. because my attitude with respect to the secret service

douglas brinkley's book, he is sharing some of those moments with us this morning.> good morning to you. >> good morning. you talked with mike wallace while cronkite's biography. what was he like on the other side of the interview? >> well, i was at cbs for a while as a historian. i knew mike and don ewid before don had died. they were warm, funny, at the top of their game in many ways going on the way out. but i've written in cronkite less than personal with me but the history of cbs news. it's key to remember that mike wallace served in world war ii and was a graduate of the university of michigan, a college guy going into tv and radio. and i think the turning point was in 1962 for wallace, because doug edwards at cbs was losing his newscast and they were looking for replacement and wallace was high on the list but they chose cronkite over wallace and others because they thought he was too tough of an interviewer, that in order to break through the glass and in people's living room and tv you need to have cronkite's style. he made being the tough interview really

brinkley and msnbc political analyst reverend eugene rivers. i'm glad you're both here. >> good morning. >> good morning, alex. >> douglas, i will speak with youstory, but we certainly have moments in history that even this early we can look at for comparison. right? >> well, certainly. i mean, the civil rights movement after the brown versus topeka decision in 1954 was triggered in many ways by the murder of emmett till in mississippi. the young boy, emmett till, had his eyes gouged out and was strangled, had a cotton gin tied to his neck and he was thrown into the tallahatchie river. it was his mother who kept an open coffin and said look what they do in the jim crow south, they killed a little boy, my son, emmett till, and it galvanized rosa parks. without that, row is is a parks wouldn't have had her moment of dissent on december 1, 1955, and the same with medgar evers of the naacp in mississippi. edgars simply wanted african-americans to have the right to vote. he was a marine. he was gunned down in his own driveway by a bigot in the south. and medgar evers helped spur what became the historic civil rights and voting rights acts of '64 an