douglas feith. but rumsfeld himself isn't a new conservative. many of his views might overlap. they do depart at one critical area which is the notion of spreading democracy around the world. rumsfeld is always very uncomfortable with that notion particular as a rationale for going to war against iraq and are due to try to keep it out of some of the rhetoric justify even the invasion. he wasn't particularly successful. the white house embraced that notion along with other rationales like weapons of mass destruction and so on, but i pressed rumsfeld and why it was that he ended up so surrounded by a neocons and he didn't have a very convincing answer to that but it didn't seem to me as if it was exactly a strategy on his part. he tended to explain it as the result of him taking the advice of white house officials and the choice of wolfowitz and then wolfowitz interim bringing douglas feith on board. >> host: how for did mr. wolfowitz and donald rumsfeld go back? >> guest: they went back and number of years. there were not particularly close friends but they served together on va