imagine this tree, it was huge. >> that's douglas fir. it's funny today we have modern engineered lumber this is natures perfect natural lumber. this is the spencer house, this is a section of an old capital on the top of the column holding the center span being in the basement. everything in that house all the framing is of this quality. we would make molding out of it or stair treads today. as a result that house after 106 years of earthquakes is still plum and level and you know in amazing shape because -- >> if you look this is a modern 2 by 4 you see the rings. this one is not so bad in terms of how close together they are. >> you have a question? >> what if you eluded to earlier that the application of some of the misguided modeling materials to the outside of the building might cause the building to deteriorate more quickly. i think what you are talking about now would indicate it's a good idea, i'm sorry, because of our desire to in effect restore to what we had before, for good feeling to do this but if that elusion you were talk

destroyed at least -- in just a taste of those two alone, those are 1 million acres of ponderous upon, douglas fir, bruce burris, and a lot of meadowlands. and there is a booklet that has a few pictures that you can see. from the map here of the wallow bair, you can see that it colors, how rapidly than it, starting in the extreme southwest part and moving up through the others. if i could just point out a few things that would help -- in line about 10,000 people had to be evacuated, and this is almost surrounded by the fire. [unintelligible] this was the worst. the fire started here. [unintelligible] but the winds were up to 40 m.p.h., and you cannot fight fires in those conditions. the big tankers were not usable because they could not drop the retardant on to the targets with any degree of precision. helicopters were the only options in many situations. we have a cabin in the community ingrier. we were having dinner with some of our neighbors. that cavan there were sitting out on the deck and looking of the battle -- the beautiful landscape is now gone. is just half a mile from where are pluses.