and douglas holtz-eakin former cbodirector. steve moore, larry summers who did rings bell 3 years ago about, on the biden inflation, and over spending. has now lost his compass or maybe he has come back to the fold, and predicting trumpian inflation. you could say that may cause inflation but trump's policies of derecession reaction tax cut -- deregulation and tax cuts and drill, baby, drill and et cetera did not create inflation the first time, why would it be this time? >> well, a great point. average inflation rate when trump of the president for 4 years was between 2 and 2. 5%, you are right we were at the target on that fed sets. and by the way, at the end of former president trump presidency, inflation rate was 1.6% that is below fed target, you are right that he did it through a supply side agenda of increasing output of the economy. when the output goes up. in supply goes up price of things goes down. i don't understand how larry summers comes up with this, i will say there are two warning signs, number one, i do think

>> sandra: for more let's bring in douglas holtz-eakin, former director of the budget office.ve you here. what about this debate? is going to be better for the economy? who's going to fix what people feel so broken right now in the american economy, doug? >> i think the president has a real uphill battle here, because it is about now that voters make up their mind, 5-6 months out, on their positions on the economy, and the president is underwater on this. he has terrible ratings on the economy, and if you look back, the key policy decisions contribute to the inflation that people face. the biggest mistake made was the american rescue plan. you'll notice in that clip when he went through the bills that were passed he never mentions that. but that plan, the $2 trillion stimulus in march of 2021 was at the wrong time, the economy is going rapidly, including myself, destined to increase the inflation we got, and he kicked off inflation we haven't seen in 40 years. people remember that. they know that his track record and it's very hard to turn that around. >> sandra: very interest

elizabeth: got it, douglas holtz-eakin, judy shelton, thank you so much. look who's here, former acting i.c.e. director tom homanful it's good to hear you and have you on. former president trump just gave a shout-out to you. trump just slammed biden's new executive the action on the border to give a path to citizenship to an estimated half a million if illegal aliens married to u.s. spouses. people are saying this is mass amnesty. trump just making news, he says he's going to overturn that and other biden border actions saying the u.s. does not is have a choice, that we're in a border collapse. what do you say? >> i agree 100. this is the third time this administration has abused section 212d5 of the immigration law says what parole's used for is to parole people into the united states for significant public benefit or humanitarian concern. but this administration taking that statute and twisted it so it's not even recognizable. that's how they're creating the cbp11 app that's bringing millions in. then they abused the statute again, violated the statute,