i am joined now by douglas murray who has written about this issue in australia in his latest book "thef europe" and from melbourne by activist and actor nakkiah lui, a young leader within the australian aboriginal community. good evening to you both. douglas, is it not time to change australia day? a lot of australians will wonder why and they will see it as an assault on the foundation of their nation and indeed it is. there are all sorts of arguments to be had about history. nobody would or could deny the mistreatment and maltreatment of the aboriginal peoples. but the problem is, as so often, the question is whether you are dealing with critics or enemies. a lot of australians will have heard of organised protests on their holiday talking notjust about the invasion of australia, but saying f australia, i hope it burns to the ground. that is not the language of the critic of a country, that is somebody talking as an enemy. is that not somebody who is perhaps in the end so frustrated as it were by the denial? but australia has not got denial about this. australia has had national sorr