. >> dana: joining us "new york post" contributor douglas murray and a question about nato member andkraine. president trump yesterday. >> president trump: i don't think it is practical to have it personally. i know that a new secretary of defense who is excellent made a statement today saying that he thinks it is unlikely or impractical. i think probably that's true. >> dana: how does europe take that? >> i think this is a very big stumbling block is nato membership. for the ukrainians in order to end the war they have to have some kind of security guarantee. the most obvious one, the main one is simply nato membership. it will be vetoed by certain nato members, hungry, maybe others. the question is, is there any other security guarantee to reassure the ukrainians? i see that as being very difficult. don't forget in 1994 ukraine's security was guaranteed by america, britain, russia. in the budapest memorandum. ever since that was broken, ever since ukraine was invaded by russia, they basically don't believe that anything other than nato membership could possibly protect them. and the

it echoes people like douglas murray and his rhetoric and jordan peterson, of course, who has been theriving force of the arc, which is for the something for responsible citizenship, but is, broadly speaking, of right. >> wing. >> wing. >> talking shop. and she restates what i suppose might have been considered to be the, the conservative values that might have kept them in power if they had actually demonstrated any real commitment to them in the last few years. >> because this. >> because this. >> is what everyone is saying with some. >> force. >> force. >> that she was part of a government which completely failed. >> to. >> to. >> uphold those values and to and to emphasise them and to. prioritise them and. >> talk is cheap. >> talk is cheap. >> yeah. well this is exactly is it says in here she said conservatives are the guardians of western civilisation. well they let the dogs through the door or whatever you want to. yes. they let the cat flip. >> flap a. >> flap a. >> bit bit. >> bit bit. >> too widely open. >> too widely open. >> yes. the values are under threat here. of course

it echoes people like douglas murray and his rhetoric and jordan peterson, of course, who has been theriving force of the arc, which is for the something for responsible citizenship, but is, broadly speaking, of right. >> wing. >> wing. >> talking shop. and she restates what i suppose might have been considered to be the, the conservative values that might have kept them in power if they had actually demonstrated any real commitment to them in the last few years. >> because this. >> because this. >> is what everyone is saying with some. >> force. >> force. >> that she was part of a government which completely failed. >> to. >> to. >> uphold those values and to and to emphasise them and to. prioritise them and. >> talk is cheap. >> talk is cheap. >> yeah. well this is exactly is it says in here she said conservatives are the guardians of western civilisation. well they let the dogs through the door or whatever you want to. yes. they let the cat flip. >> flap a. >> flap a. >> bit bit. >> bit bit. >> too widely open. >> too widely open. >> yes. the values are under threat here. of course