on wednesday, douglas schulman will take part in a house oversight committee. we will also hear testimony from the treasury department inspector general for tax and ministration. that is live at 9:30 eastern also on c-span 3. senator rand paul spoke at an event last night hosted by the new hampshire republican state committee. senator paul is mentioned as a possible presidential candidate. we will also hear from republican national committee chairman rights previous -- reince priebus. from concord, new hampshire, this is 45 minutes. >> if i could have your attention please, we are going to get the program started now. folks, i need to ask for your attention please. we are going to get started with the program now. don't make me start identifying the talkers by name. i hate to have to do it. ok, folks, we are going to get started. very much. i hope you are all enjoying your meal. we want to say thank you and if you could join me in a round of applause for the dinner committee, the extraordinary job they did today. [applause] thank you all. we are going to get st

yesterday irs commissioner douglas schulman took responsibility for the scandal but stopped short of saying whether he played a role in it. >> when it comes to social media, teenagers all over the country are taking their hearts and giving love to one bay area company and taking it to another one. seem gla mody is live with details on that and a look at how futures are trading this morning. seema, good morning. >> we'll start with the markets. futures flat after stocks turned early losses into late gains. yesterday the 189th straight gain on a tuesday while the s&p and nasdaq were up for a nice tuesday. we have existing home sales. fed chairman ben bernanke talked about the economy on capitol hill. the nasdaq adding five. here's a story. the kids love twitter but facebook, not so much. the new survey by the pugh ree search center shows waning enthusiasm by teens for facebook. the reason, there are too many adults on the site including mom and dad. the study says 24% of online teens use the miracle ro blogging service but haven't totally abandoned facebook. 94% have a profile but that

douglas schulman who was the commissioner at the time who denied that anything was going on resigned about six months ago when his term ended. vinita? >> susan mcginnis in washington this morning. susan, thank you. >>> well, there are more questions following the 12-year-old boy in the stabbing death of his 8-year-old sister. leila's body was found in her family home. her brother told police he saw an intruder running from their house. the brother was arrested saturday. police have not said what the motive for the killing may be. >>> coming up on the "morning news," the latest on the cleveland kidnapping case. newly released video shows police breaking into the home where three young women had been held captive for a decade. >>> plus, an unusual ice emergency. ice floes plow into a lakeside home, causing widespread damage. this is the "cbs morning news." [ kelly ] people say it's really hard to follow a healthy routine. guess what? you can do it. that it's almost impossible to eat healthy. but you can do it. that you can't improve your mouth's health with a toothpaste. with colgate t

. >> reporter: former irs commissioner douglas schulman told lawmakers he didn't learn the full extentx agency targeting conservative groups until he read the inspector general's report last week. >> but why didn't you know when you were there? >> this is an issue that when someone spotted it, they should have run up the chain, and they didn't. why they didn't, i don't know. >> reporter: schulman joined acting commissioner steven miller at the witness table. he didn't tell them an investigation was under way last year. >> mr. miller, that's a lie by omission. there's no question about that in my mind. it's a lie by omission. >> i believe i did answer them, and did answer them truthfully, sir. >> reporter: but miller did admit that exposing the scandal with a planted question at a lawyer's meeting before the inspector general's report came out was a mistake. >> obviously the entire thing was an incredibly bad idea. >> reporter: the white house is now acknowledging administration knew about the report back in april but insists the president did not. >> that it was not appropriate in this

you just heard former irs commissioner douglas schulman tell congress he wasn't responsible and doesn't know who is. agency official lois lerner now on administrative leave invoeshgds her fifth amendment right to remain silent not before declaring her own inknow nence and the administration's story about who knew it and when continued to evolved. "wall street journal" columnist den henninger, colin levy and washington columnist kim strasle. what have we learned this week, the most important things we learned this week that were new about this scandal? >> right. we certainly saw a lot of cute answers in those congressional hearings, right? i think those raised as many questions as they answered. but i think the big things we had confirmed this week are we now know the commissioner doug schulman knew about this for sure in the spring time of 2012, that was about the same time he was telling congress that there had been absolutely no targeting. we also know that lois lerner knew about this in june of 2011. i think that's pretty clear. you know the other thing that happened importantly was

. >> reporter: in 2012, then irs commissioner douglas schulman testified his agency was not targeting conservative groups. he later received word the inspector-general was conducting an investigation and did not inform lawmakers. danielle nottingham, cbs news, capitol hill. >> the committee chairman warned lerner she could still be called back to testify. >>> we have some breaking news where chopper 5 is above a muni mess in san francisco. don't see any railcars there? the n-judah and the j-church muni lines are out of commission because of a downed wire in coal valley. the wire problem at cole and carl streets stopped the muni service in both directions. there you can see the stalled trains. the commuter nightmare began just a few hours ago. bus shuttles taking over for that interrupted rail service. >>> saving big bucks on a new set of wheels. how you can get your hands on a new car for next to nothing. >> it begins with a phone call to an unsuspecting grandparent. what is making older people fall prey to a national scam taking them for nearly all they've got. >> sunshine from the c

douglas schulman. >> there's absolutely no targeting. this is the kind of back-and- forth that happens when people apply. >> reporter: according to the i.r.s., shulman, who was appointed by president george w. bush and has since retired, did not know about the targeting at the time. in a media conference call today, learner said the targeting was done by low-level employees who were motivated not by partisan politics but by a desire to be more efficient in identifying groups that don't qualify for tax-exempt status. the time. in a media conference call today, learner said the targeting was done by low-level employees who were motivated not by partisan politics but by a desire to be more efficient in identifying groups that don't qualify for tax-exempt a >> reporter: learner was asked if there were any organizations with liberal-sounding names that received extra scrutiny. she said she did not know and, scott, republicans on capitol hill and the white house spokesman are now calling for a thorough investigation. >> pelley: chip, thank you

lou: well former irs commissiony douglas schulman. you have a passing acquaintances with now, your colleague congressman jim jordan said he visited the white house 118 times in 2010, and 2011, that is stunning in and of itself, by itself it means closer, but it is a somewhat closer relationship with the white house that i heard any acting irs or otherwise. >> i think mr. schulman was at the white house more than some of the employees who work at the white house, mr. schulman's memory gets very poor on things he does not want to talk about, it splendid on issues he wants to talk on. but he can't remember the conversations, he did not make a compelling witness in my judgment. lou: the committee with the rest of the house, will focussing, i know there has been attempttation. on part of the administration, and democrat to conflatea number of the issues, tax code issues even the chairman camp of ways and means wanted to talk about reforming the tax code, what the american people need here is a vast set of answers to troubling questions, an

this sounds like a lot like last week's hearing but today we heard from former irs head, douglas schulman led irs when the targeting began. and max bacchus had a very simple question. >> bottom line, how did this happen. >> i can't say that i know that answer. i'm six months out. >> you have some sense of it, you were a commissioner for a number of years. >> i'm six months out of office. when i left the it was looking into this to gather all of the fact. i now have had the benefit of reading the report, and that's the full accounting of facts that i have at this point. i don't think i can answer that question. >> i'm disappointed because you've got time to think about this, and you certainly have more thought than that. >> michael: white house spokesman jay carney reiterated again neither hey carney nor president obama knew about the irs inspector's report. chef of staff mark childress was in charge of reporting the irs targeting. he told congress that the irs was not targeting non-profits. >> why didn't you let us know when we--that's what we were inquiring about when we sent he's letter

needs it, i do want to say that i support impeaching any president who made douglas schulman head of. it was president bush who appointed the man. some folks are saying that the g.o.p. will use this and it can hurt the president but there is another scandal going on right now closer to home involving mayor bloomberg. i want to get to this because a year ago this week we were embroiled in the controversy over news corp and what mourdock may have been doing. now the other story is how mayor bloomberg had this technology that seems to have been useed to spy on other people, boulevardberg's lp terminal were used by bloomberg journalists to gather information about wall street banks and monitor geithner. do we forget that everything we do is being monitored by someone who can't see us. >> what's happening here if you look at the larger picture these reporters are looking into major financial organizations which are known through history for corruption and they found nothing. if you're going to spend time noodling around, it's like if you have cameras in a massage parlor, go in and find so

lawmakers heard for the first time yesterday from former irs commissioner douglas schulman, he refused to apologize for not telling congress about targeting when he first learned of it. another agency chief made no such refusal. >> i want to apologize on behalf of the internal revenue services mistakes we made and poor service we provided. >> the second time in a week miller apologized to congress. tea party protesters took to the streets voicing outrage and calling for change at the irs. >>> historic honor given to a legendary singer/songwriter. ♪ winter spring summer or fall ♪ all you got to do is call ♪ and i'll be there yes i will you've got a friend ♪ >> hitting the high note. 71-year-old carole king singing her classic "you've got a friend" last night at library of congress. >> the first woman awarded the nation's highest prize for popular music and king is honored at a white house concert tonight. >> she said last year she would like to retire. since then she has been way too busy to retire at 71. >> my older sister karen had the album out of the wrapper "tapestry." remember tha

. >> former irs commissioner douglas schulman appointed by president bush withstood blistering criticism for testifying last year that the irs was not targeting certain groups. he resigned in november. >> now when it comes to government scandals, americans have witnessed their fair share. one particular event always seems to rise above the rest. in fact, it is so notorious that every scandal since usually comes with a word gate attached to it. we're talking about watergate. reality check. >> it has been a pretty rough couple of weeks for the obama administration. and the irs scandal has now taken top billing. political scientists and government experts we have spoken to say it is hyperbole bordering on ludicrous to compare the irs scandal to watergate. but from a legacy standpoint, they say the events could live on for a long time as the administration has breached the basic trust between citizen and government. marlon brando's iconic role in "the godfather," more than just produced one of the greatest achievements in film history. it spawned the saying,e(y÷ the godfather of. >> i shall

and since that time, the former irs commissioner douglas schulman has been questioned repeatedly by bothemocrats and republicans who are clearly frustrated that once he did know about this targeting of conservative groups that he did not alert congress, members of congress say he had an obligation to do that. schulman says no, he didn't, but there is enormous frustration playing out here today. richard? >> kelly o'donnell. as that hearing continues at the moment, we are now going to go back to thomas roberts live in moore, oklahoma, following that continuing story you have better weather today, thomas. i remember yesterday during the show, it was rain and windy. >> yeah, a much better day here, richard. and actually turned around in the late afternoon where it got warm and we saw a lot of people got back out to their homes, today being optimal, longer hours where people can get out in the morning time and start to come back to their places. we've seen incredible stories here, richard. and we're going to thank you for getting us to capitol hill. and i'll go back to you if we need to go ba

. >> what do you make of this idea, douglas schulman, went to the white house 118 times, what they werebout, nobody knows. he ain't talking, 118 times. his predecessor mark everson, who has been on this show many times was there once during the bush years. this guy schulman 118 times. what does that mean? >> that there was an awful lot of discussions about tax quote policy going on between the white house and the commissioner of the internal revenue, which is unprecedented in our history. this whole idea that you had all of these meetings and no one ever discussed. this is what's so hard to believe. you had this targeting going on the irs issue that, mea culpa that meant a nothing. this was going on three years. we knew in 2010 this was happening, no one bothered to tell during these meetings the commissioner of the internal revenue, we know he knew, none of this happened? there was not targeting going on? they do this two.5 years later, oh, yeah, we should have apologized. it's hard to believe. obviously, we don't have that discovery or those depositions, at the end of the day, i will

this is douglas schulman. he is the commissioner of irs when these things happened. he was appointed by george bush. he was a republican appointee. he was in charge when these things happened. what i do not is why they are attacking this president personal personally that he could have gotten to anybody under the leadership of this republican appointed commission here would clearly have not only cooperated but they could have run to him to say they were being pressured by democrats. this was the commissioner in charge of the irs when this happened. >> the problem we have and i think chris hit it right on the head. is that a certain portion of the population, no matter what evidence is there is going to look at president obama as being the villain. we've seen it. there's a percentage of the american population based on polling data that i saw this week still believe that president obama is a muslim. there is a certain percentage of the population that doesn't know the name of the vice president of the united states. it will be very difficult to erase the things that p

it was 2012 when douglas schulman, then the irs commissioner, spoke out about this, denying any targeting had taken place. at that time we knew that senior officials knew of it going back to 2011. i reached out to the white house on this very topic today. jay carney, the press secretary, telling me he does not expect -- he put out this statement where he said the following: he said the president believes that the american people expect and deserve to have the very best public servants with the highest levels of integrity working in government agencies on their behalf. based on recent media reports he is concerned that the conduct of a small number of internal revenue service employees may have fallen short of that standard. i also reached out to some other senior administration officials who say they do not expect the president will address the irs issue in his opening remarks. recognize this is what's referred to as a one-one, one question from an american reporter, one from a british reporter. >> there's a lot of baroque activity to slow this down. >> we know who was in charge of this,

and, of course, this guy douglas schulman, i don't care if he's bush's guy or not. so far hasn't told us a single thing. he knew. this stuff has to be found. i like jennifer's point. in a sense, this is an institutional issue. if the irs stays rotten and political to the core, then its damage on the country, given its importance is just going to be gigantic. >> no question about it. an important question i want to hear answered -- i want to hear the national press ask this question. why while mr. schulman was in the white house over 100 times. i think in one story it's been documented. 118 times. and meanwhile, you had had the irs commissioner during george bush's presidency, was there once. who was he talking to? who in the obama campaign was he talking to? the three-most feared letters in the american dictionary are irs. and the average working people, small business people, everybody understands that the irs is one organization that shouldn't be politicized. and we saw what happened with it during the nixon administration. and people want answers. >> you know wha

in march of 2012, irs commissioner douglas schulman testified there absolutely no target adding thathe investigations were, quote, the kind of back and forth that happens to people. >> a year ago, absolutely no targeting. >> on saturday, the irs put out a statement reading, quote, senior leadership was not aware of this level of specific details at the time of the march 2012 hearing. >> so they were saying it was just low-level employees in ohio. that was on friday. >> it goes on to say, quote, senior leadership did not have this level of detail. but the associated press reports that back in june of 2011, the official who heads the irs division that oversees ta tax-exempt organizations learned that groups were being targeted and two months later in august of 2011, staffers in the irs rules and agreement office, quote, held a meeting with chief counsel so everyone would have the latest information on the issue. >> lisa myers, people sort of tried to clean things up and they will say, you know, they misspoke or there were falsehoods. these are out and out lies. people in middle america

the a irs hearings underway, former irs commissioner douglas schulman facing tough questions from the senate over how the targeting of conservative groups got started in the first place. >> inspector general's report found the tax-exempt units was a bureaucratic mess. employees were ignorant about tax laws. defiant over supervisors and blind to the appearance of impropriety. this is unacceptable. the tea party is demanding answers as well, activists protesting outside irs office around the country, justin phillips is founder of tea party nation joining us outside the protest in washington d.c.. what the you think these protests can accomplish? >> it will accomplish a number of things, it will keep the story in the public eye, revitalizing the tea party movement and helped us. for some serious reforms because these are aris of the uses, the obama administration's irs is not the first to do it, clinton did it, johnson did it, kennedy did it, on and on. what we need to do is change some was to make sure this never happens again with a future president. dagen: shouldn't have happened in t

douglas schulman who was appointed by president bush in 2008 expressed regret but he frustrated those looking for an explanation. >> how did this happen? >> mr. chairman, i can't say that i know that answer. >> what we need to do is to bring before this committee some people who might actually know the answers. it's frustrating to have no answers for a hearing like this. >> the white house explanation of what it knew when has shifted over the past few days. initially a white house spokesperson said they were informed a few weeks ago that this investigation was wrapping up but they now say a few white house officials may have spoken to irs officials about how to make all of this public. >> nancy, turning from that to immigration, the senate judiciary committee passed an immigration bill on yez. so what does that say about the process of getting immigration reform? >> well, that was a big milestone that passed out of the committee after a debate of over 300 amendments. it had all of them supporting it and three republicans. it now goes to the senate floor for what will probably be three

congressional aides say douglas schulman and deputy commissioner and current acting commissioner stevenof conservative groups last may. miller writes the we fix the situation last year and made significant progress in moving the centralized cases through our system to date, have of these cases have been approved or withdrawn and the irs devolves its conduct admitting significant details how long officials singled out conservative groups, who knew it and when. republicans are calling for a full investigation. >> in coming days we will learn more and get answers to questions like what the irs deliberately misleading republican senators. was it be training or found in confidence. none of this would have come out of we relied on the administration's home word and republicans hadn't demanded to know the truth. connell: democrats demanding investigations as well including senate finance committee chairman max baucus. the full treasury inspector general report where much of this information comes from is due out this weekend the house ways and means committee holds hearings on friday. back to

. >> douglas schulman's answers didn't seem to settle senators' concerns. >> senator -- >> it's easy,sible -- >> i understand the words. what i'm telling you is this happened on my watch and i accept that. >> but you're not personally responsible? >> i'm deeply regretful this happened. >> let's move on. >> the controversies forcing the white house to play defense. >> i'm trying to figure out how people in this building knew what they knew when they knew it. >> let's step back. >> here's what they knew. >> you're acting like i'm petulant. >> admitting the white house was not told about the irs in april, but discussions about how to roll out the revelations. >> there was discussions about the findings of the report. >> facing one tough question after another, carney continued to push back. >> we could go down the list of questions. we could say what about the president's birth certificate? was that legitimate? >> dan lothian, cnn, washington. >> our thanks to dan. >>> 24 minutes past the hour. jurors will be back in court today deliberating whether jodi arias should get the death penalt

the second is that i learned this afternoon that former irs chief douglas schulman, who was at the helmargeting, will testify before the house oversight committee next wednesday. the man who succeeded him will testify tomorrow. i got a preview today from the committee chairman. >> this is the witness table. >> reporter: in this room, republican dave camp will chair the first irs hearing since the scandal exploded. his star witness, steven miller, the irs chief who just got fired. this is literally the hot seat. >> well, i think it will be, because we've been inquiring, and he and the irs weren't forthcoming. >> reporter: miller learned one year ago irs agents were targeting tea party and other conservative groups for excessive scrutiny of tax-exempt applications, but miller never told congressional investigators, including camp. >> so i want to know what he knew, i want to know when he knew it, and i want to know from his standpoint to make sure this doesn't happen again. >> do you think steven miller is the fall guy here? >> i think this isn't going to end up just being one person's re

hold a hearing followed by the house oversight committee on wednesday when former commissioner douglas schulmanrday's hearing before the house ways and means committee grew heated at times. >> when asked the truth, and you know the truth and you have a legal responsibility to inform others of the truth, but you don't share that truth, what i >> i always answer questions truthfully, mr. camp. >> joining me now is democratic congressman lloyd doggett member of the committee on ways and means which conducted that hearing. sir, thank you so much for joining us. i'm curious, did you learn any new information in the hearing yesterday. >> i did, alex. i learned quite a bit because we had, in addition to the acting commissioner the inspector general, a career republican with audit and investigation responsibilities, his report, his response to my questions demonstrated what a giant overreach this whole matter is. we had mr. camp lead off the hearing by talking about corruption at the irs, by saying it was rotten at the core and it was picking winners and losers and this career republican inspector gene

despite testimony from march 2012 from then irs commissioner douglas schulman telling congress they were not being targeted, he was informed two months later. turning to benghazi, mr. obama defiantly rebutted charges that his administration initially down played the attack had ties to terrorism. calling it a circus. >> the whole issue of talking points frankly throughout this process has been a sideshow. >> now, hearings on benghazi and that investigation will continue later this week. it may not be public, as the committee that's been investigating this, matt, wants to interview the two investigators. the state department, mike mullen and tom victory, who did the state department review because most importantly they want to find out why was hillary clinton, then secretary of state, never interviewed during that investigation. >> chuck todd at the white house this morning. thank you very much. >>> there are new clues in the cleveland kidnapping case this morning regarding how the suspect may have hidden three young ladies so long. as new video emerges of ariel castro inside that home. to

lawmakers are getting their first chance to ask douglas schulman about agents who targeted conservatived for tax-exempt status. members of the senate finance committee want to know why schulman did not inform congress even after he was briefed. >>> the obama administration also taking heat, for prosecuting a state department expert on north korea and declaring a fox news journalist committed a crime for information leaked to him. during a probe of the state department adviser, officials issued a search warrant for the private e-mails of fox news chief washington correspondent james rosen, with the fbi naming him a criminal co-conspirator in the leak. his comings and goings from the state department were also tracked. he said he was acting within his right as part of a free press. >>> police in utah reveal new details in the susan powell case monday, even as they announce that they were ending their three-year search for that missing mother. investigators concluded that husband josh powell was definitely involved, but stopped short of saying he murdered his wife. josh killed himself and

and douglas schulman, the commissioner of the internal revenue service, testified later before congress and categorically denied that any type of targeting was, in fact, taking place. mr. cornyn: well, last friday we learned that my constituents were correct and the internal revenue service is wrong. it turns out the internal revenue service really was targeting american citizens for exercising their most fundamental rights. and even though the internal revenue service did not acknowledge this until last friday pss has reported that senior agency officials learned about the abuses as early as june 2011, nearly two years ago. let me be clear. these abuses are not simply inappropriate, they're a breach of faith with the american people and they are potentially violations of our criminal law. now, as my friend from vermont knows, if the i.r.s., if the government can target conservative groups, like the king street patriots and the tea party, they can target anybody anywhere across the political spectrum. that's why you're seeing such bipartisan outrage over this news. but not only was the