i'm joined by douglas wilder. who wrote this piece.s the former democratic governor of virginia and the first african-american to be elected governor in the united states. welcome back to the program. good to see you. good morning. >> alec, always good to be with you. good morning to you. >> i want to hear a bit more, sir, about why you say the president should look closer at the clinton template. >> first of all, strongly disagreed with that notion that my friend tony morrison made and the observations she made in 1998. if you look back, you see that bill clinton had five secretaries in his cabinet of color. five. then you had a director of the management and budget. then you also had the, what we call the drug czar. of those seven positions, these people have budgets, they were able to hire and to bring in people to stay in state government for long after the president is gone. now, we haven't seen that with reference to this president. we've had vacancies on the supreme court and this is where the access for civil rights has been st