but when lincoln saw douglass. he took him the hand, welcomed him into the white office, led him the hand until they took seats together. and they had a conversation. now, douglass pushed on these two issues of unequal pay and confederate atrocities on the issue of confederate atrocities, lincoln conceded that was a problem that needed to be dealt. but lincoln did not believe he should punish confederate p.o.w.s who were sitting in union prisoner of war camps for the war crimes committed by people on the field. and on the issue of unequal pay, lincoln said that he agreed that black soldiers should get on. he should get equal pay. but at this point in the war, there so much resistance by the white northern electorate. it was politically infeasible. it was enough to for black men to fight, he said. eventually they would get equal pay. the time wasn't right, yet. and he also added that black men who were born into slavery should see some sort of monetary value in becoming free. now, as you might imagine, frederick dou

and douglass was so strong. in fact, in the mid 1850s, he was the most powerful democrat in the nation. having beaten james buchanan over the issue of the fraudulent la compton constitution. so i think he takes kind of a backseat to the apotheosis of abraham lincoln. i would say that douglass actually knew in 1856 that he would not be elected in 1860, and one might wonder why. well, the reason was the republican party is less than two years old. it puts up its first national candidate for the presidency in john c, fremont, the great explorer. people knew him and his his wife, jesse, wrote this wonderful journal about his exploration in the west, which sold hundreds of thousands copies. there were no copyright laws, and so newspapers serialized it to anyway had john c fremont one the electoral votes of pennsylvania 27 and the electoral votes of either illinois or indiana with ten votes that flip would have made john c fremont, the 15th president of the united states douglass saw that number one the north would wi

douglass wrote essays about photography.e thought photography was so important, that photography was going to show white americans that the humanity of black people was the same as their humanity. he also was looking at the idea that at the time white people were making sure there were stereotypes of black people. they would do pictures that were demeaning that depicted them as less intelligent. he was pushing the idea that that wasn't true. pamela: blake said douglass and his family lived in new bedford for five years. he would return many times to visit. across the street from the johnson home, construction is underway on abolition row park and at its heart will be a statue of frederick douglass. the statue depicts douglass and his waterfront working clothes and will bear his quote, truth, justice, liberty, and humanity will ultimately prevail, the same words inscribed on the senate chamber walls of the massachusetts state house. i am pamela watts in new bedford, massachusetts. geoff: kimiko hahn, a professor at queens col

the judge first addressed the matter of douglass detrie. of course there is mr. douglass detrie.rime we >> then the judge turned his attention to burch's faith. >> this is a crime that i believe merits the death penalty. and for that you will dine president. it is the sense of this court that you are sentenced to life imprisonment. with no possibility of parole. we too nikki and the family of the detrie's. the parents and support of this community. -- good luck and god bless. >> this court is in recess. >> i really hope that he understands for a lifetime what he all took away from us. >> how is the world different now? without nikki? what did she leave behind? >> i mean she left behind her three beautiful children that are going to grow up without having a mother. to teach them. >> well but i see her in so many things. i am just constantly reminded of. her we i feel like she is still there, she still here with us. . >>> this sunday up in the air. u.s. fighter jets shoot down a chinese spy balloon flying in u.s. air space

frederick douglass matters very differently. douglass was recruited with support of the j. family to deliver a major public eulogy for william j. although i found no evidence that douglass and william j were knew each other well, they were both very close to garrett. but douglass not have to know william j. well he knew his work and he knew what to of it. he delivered a stirring address to a largely african-american audience and met in a manhattan church in 1859. douglass the racial politics of the event to brilliant effect, the former fugitive stated, who but the slave should lament when the champion of the slave has who should rise to vindicate, honor and bless the memory of william j. if the colored people of this state and country may not properly do so so, he's claiming territory that william j. is are not theirs. he's certainly not the new york orleans picayune version of william j. he belongs to the african-american community. and one of the most apt phrases written about william j. or any other j. douglass declared in the great cause of universal freedom, his name,

but would you conceive that douglass would have it? would you consider for the extending even of a limited enfranchisement as moving the needle a little bit? yeah, i mean, that's a huge move. well, that's the frederick douglass called it. you know, it's he it was the entering wedge. you push that and then he uses a he uses a carpentry metaphor. right. right. you you put in the wedge and then you start hammering at the wedge. it's the opening wedge. but isn't there a rather long period between his that he's not a supporter of universal suffrage? first of all, at the beginning he's talking the persons who should who should be granted citizenship are whites. he doesn't even say men, but he says whites who pay taxes and who provide military, not excluding women. i assume he means women who are paying taxes, not women who are providing service. but of course that phrase has been used to suggest that he's for women's rights, is for women's voting rights. and i don't see anything that would suggest that he really is supporting right. of women

douglass, frederick douglass was a great line about the haughty lips of slave owners of long called theune. it's a paraphrase, but it's that's the essence of lincoln said no, that if if in fact you conceded after winning a national election then that idea that golden circle that havana was going to be the center of a slave empire, and that nicaragua and mexico and tierra del fuego and all these places were going to become part of this, i think slavery. i think it's a personal opinion. obviously i don't see how slavery doesn't last into the 20th century. no. and that's where i think lincoln was perhaps wrong about the slow extinction of it. i think it would have lasted in. i want i wanted to was a touchstone letter for me and you start a paragraph of a chapter off quoting part it on page 147, lincoln's letter, judge george robertson of kentucky, where lincoln wrote you you he says, quote, you wrote of the peaceful extinction of slavery. i there is no peaceful extinction of slavery in prospect for us now. jim mcpherson, a great historian, civil war, thinks, well, you can't believe just on

said got into that book and even sent a copy of it to douglass. and douglass didn't make any changes at least that's how the story goes. and that book sold over 50,000 copies and it was very in lincoln getting elected because it his position so clearly on the record in a way that lots of people could read it so david and i he told me all this i decided to buy a copy of david's and i got a copy of david's book. well, interestingly enough, in the appendix of david's book, he made note that there were something like 50 copies of that that lincoln had personally signed to say, like, i would give some you a copy of the book. here's a copy of my ross, our well, lincoln did the same, except he wrote a copy of the book and gave it to his friend james end brown. and it stayed in brown's family and one of brown's descendants i think his granddaughter or something like that. and that was in the 1930s donated it to the huntington library. and so august team was kind enough to give me a scan of that. and i put that scan on my book because i felt it was importa

then another experience of this chaos with frederick douglass is when he is beaten by an overseer and he runs away, he runs into the woods, but he encounters a prophet slash priest slash medicine man who then tells him that, you know, you know, a child of god. i'm going give you some right here. you wear this over on the left side and you go back and you tell that overseer you are a child of god and you went back and told him he beat them for hours and said, i'm a child of god don't you ever beat me again? which an incredible thing for this enslaved african to say that i am a human being. and he continues on with moments every time that there was a moment of chaos. he i'm going to employ for my good if there is something that explodes gnashing ailey i'm going to use it to community create the suffering of my people and douglass was a genius at dealing with issues of chaos and the black struggle over and over again, chaotic moments. and yet we come up with these times to be able to demonstrate how we can operate at a different level in this nation. that's the black tradition. the black

and we're naming the new tunnel after frederick douglass who boarded this train to freedom right herebaltimore. he escaped slavery, traveled the country by rail. fighting for abolition and civil rights. so it's fitting we honor him in this way. frederick douglas -- look, we have a lot to do. on the -- when the project is done, the train will travel through this tunnel at 110 miles per hour rather than 0 miles per hour. trains will go from here to washington in 30 minutes. on an average weekday that'll eliminate nearly seven hours a day. the frederick douglass tunnel will be all electric and we'll continue to invest in rail to make it easier for people to use its potential to take thousands of vehicle, thousands of vehicles off the highways including the interstate and save millions of barrels of oil reducing pollution. all the study shows if you get from point a to point b by rail faster than you can by automobile you'd take the rail. this could be a game changer for the environment as well. this is what we're king across the country, not just here. tomorrow i'll be in new york for a

who went around the country, friends with frederick douglass. and you heard mama dukes mention shirley chisholm. i was a young staffer on capitol hill, she fell in love with a man from buffalo, what an inspiration. standing up. who would have thought a woman of color could run for president of the united states. then we had hillary clinton, another new yorker. she has been an inspiration to me from the very beginning. then we think about the women who transformed the supreme court. bifort went in this direction. justices ruth bader ginsburg. elena kagan. sonia sotomayor. and as i mentioned we live among legends like dr. hazel dukes, who is still, to this day, at 91, saying we still have that march toward justice. it is not finished yet. we are still working together. each of the women i mentioned redefined leadership in their own way and paved the way for others to follow. and to be clear it wasn't just because they are women they made their mark. they embod dwhrid courage and the character that still defines new yorkers to this day. and above a

host: what about frederick douglass?: that is another interesting relationship, frederick douglass was one of the courageous orators in this country's history, and a great abolitionist. really one of the greatest statesmen i think this country has ever known. lincoln comes to know him during the civil war, but had never met him before he was president. one of the chapters in my book recounts a visit frederick douglass makes to the white house during the civil war, when he comes to see lincoln. douglas has been trying to raise black troops, which is becoming critical for the northern war effort. he comes to gently chide lincoln and tell him look, i am having trouble doing this because you are not paying these african-american soldiers the same as we are paying white soldiers and we are not promoting them. lincoln knows that douglas is right, he basically says to have some patience and bear with me, these things take time. i think they have great admiration for each other, though douglas was often frustrated. he hopes linc

host: what about frederick douglass?: that is another interesting relationship, frederick douglass was one of the courageous orators in this country's history, and a great abolitionist. really one of the greatest statesmen i think this country has ever known. lincoln comes to know him during the civil war, but had never met him before he was president. one of the chapters in my book recounts a visit frederick douglass makes to the white house during the civil war, when he comes to see lincoln. douglas has been trying to raise black troops, which is becoming critical for the northern war effort. he comes to gently chide lincoln and tell him look, i am having trouble doing this because you are not paying these african-american soldiers the same as we are paying white soldiers and we are not promoting them. lincoln knows that douglas is right, he basically says to have some patience and bear with me, these things take time. i think they have great admiration for each other, though douglas was often frustrated. he hopes linc

office with your hand over the frederick douglass bible, which is so moving.ht. great marylander. >> who lived on a plantation on the eastern shore as a slave. the fact is that that won't be built for a while. the polls show that people are not giving him credit for the legislation, for the inflation reduction act, for instance. they won't see the results of that in time for the election. >> but i think that they will. so many of the initiatives that have been done, the billions of dollars that have been dispensed, you are seeing. in the state of maryland, for example, we have put $10 million towards clean buses. we have seen the impact on health care implications and also for the veterans community. we made the largest investment in tax cuts for veterans in our state's history. that also comes on the tail end of the president signing an act for people exposed to burn pits. i served in afghanistan. we saw directly the impact of the burn pits. to see the president taking leadership and how that's having impact on marylanders and people around the country. the p

, by the way, and one of frederick douglass sons was a pallbearer. in the end, i took a more conventional the more approach it is one of the benefits of writing biography. as i other historians narrative arc pretty clear starts with birth ends with death. you know you don't have to figure out how to organize the material if you just want to take the conventional approach. and it did make sense to do that. but i stand by the notion even now that his mass funeral tells us more about who he was and what he contributed to our history than his birth in obscurity in deerfield, new hampshire, or any absurd, minimizing, denigrating epithet ever could. so let's stop calling him beast unless unless we mean it in the way that urban dictionary does, which is to say this is how urban dictionary describes beast. he's a beast. a beast is a person that is talented at whatever they do and always displays determination, dedication and resilience to always or want to win. it's not a perfect definition. but if you're meaning it that way, you can still use the term. it c

douglass, good to see you again.ening. >> thank you for having me. >> this is not a war that american soldiers are fighting. so, how do we gauge success, when it comes to the american public and public opinion? do we have parallels for something like this in a recent history? >> i go back to the greek revolution after world war ii. russia was trying to undercut democracy, and greece was the birthplace of democracy, using proxies states like yugoslavia, romania, and others. and the united states stepped up. we passed the truman act, with harry truman -- and now, ukraine is our great nato ally, as well as turkey. we have got to keep that bipartisan spirit we had a life that we had during the cold war. and, you know, there are times that what putin is counting on's stunning american history that americans get impatient. and after a year or two, we just say, look, enough of this war, we're spending billions and you are not using that money here at home. but this is a battle of our lifetime for really democracy as we know

and of course, frederick douglass later denounced the american colonization society.in the end, about 16,000 american blacks did go back to africa, and a couple of more from arlington house. and they wrote to mrs. lee cautiously to keep in touch with her and said they were doing well there. so i'm so pleased that in the modern era that i get to individualize the enslaved persons a little more than perhaps what was done, you know, in decades past. so there are three major individuals and families that i want to highlight at arlington house. selina gray and her husband, thornton. she is best known. she was mrs. lee's chambermaid and she rescued the washington treasures at the start of the civil war when the union troops were arriving to occupy arlington house. and she arranged for them to be stored at the us patent office. then you had the parks lawrence the father and james, the son. this is a drawing of laurence parks, an enslaved man done by mary lee, when she was probably teenager. she used to draw a lot and son james parks is so interesting because he was born as a

farmer douglass is worried about her crops. >> i'm close to the epicenter and terned for the toxicityf my soil, does that indicate we can plant this spring? >> reporter: she's paying out of pocket for a lab to test her soil. the company says they're committed to doing right for the people of east palestine and are committed to paying for the cleanup. transportation secretary pete buttigieg will visit the area. >>> a aleug cc a the son who survived testifying in his father's defense. >> reporter: buster murdaugh taking the stand in his father's defense, describing the first time he saw his dad after learning his mom and brother had been shot to death. >> he wasestred, heartbroken. i walked in the door and saw him, gave him aug hdown.. m was worried the family could lose millions in a lawsuit over paul's involvement in a fatal boat crash. >> it consumedn e disputed audio of hisnterew they did him r so bad. >>ust did them so bad. >> what did your dad them so b >> was that the first time? >> reporter: buster saying he used the is expression since the night neither askg voice. >> he's got

-- >> because it contains the birthday of abraham lincoln and the made-up birthday of frederick douglassorter: and created black history materials for teachers, who sometimes taught it in secret. >> i think there are a lot of parallels comparing what's happening now with the banning of black history books and what dr. carter g. woodson was attempting to do, trying to not use the lessons of the past to shame anyone but to make sure that we don't repeat those same mistakes. >> reporter: evelyn brooks higginbotham is a harvard history professor whose father worked with woodson. >> for him, the idea of a week was never a week. it was always 365 days. he was a builder. he brought people together. >> he'd be very proud of the history that we've made, and i think he would agree that we still have a little ways to go. >> reporter: adriana diaz, cbs news, chicago. >>> that's the overnight news for this tuesday. for some of you, the news continues. for others, check back later for "cbs mornings." and remember you can follow us online anytime at cbsnews.com. reporting from here in the nation's capi

. >> frederick douglass, president mckinley, booker t. washington, and dr.ere? >> all of them spoke here. >> reporter: now old ship is getting new restoration, thanks to a grant from the african american cultural heritage action fund, part of the national trust for historic preservation in all, $4 million to 35 historic black churches around the country. why is it so important to focus on black churches? >> black churches are among the oldest institutions in the united states. these places have been at the forefront of meaningful and critical democratic reform in american society you can't tell the story of america without talking about the story of black churches. >> reporter: on the list, 16th street baptist church in birmingham where four little girls were killed by a klansman's bomb in 1963. and reedy chapel in galveston, texas. >> it's associated to emancipation and juneteenth. >> reporter: for old ship, the money means restoring its bell towers, damaged by rainwater and outside, a face-lift welcome news for joseph trimble. his family history here dates