penny douglass furr and richard herman.re is not going to be any criminal charges against joe jackson, anything that did happen, myron hawkins saying it didn't happen, happened many, many years ago. it can never be resuscitated as a charge. yes, no, richard herman? >> no. not resuscitated. but look at the psychological damage on michael of the beatings he took with switches and belts and straps at the hands of his father. >> penny? >> nancy, i have to say, i understand what his cousin is saying. i grew up in south carolina. i've been in many churches where i've heard sermons about spare the rod, spoil the child. these people believe they are doing the right thing. >> well, i don't know what your southern lineage has to do with anything, because jackson was raised in gary, indiana, and california, but whatever. to bethany marshall. what about it? >> well, mr. myron said he hit them with a belt when they didn't clean their room. that's not discipline. that's abuse. i think there was a culture of violence in the family from wh

susan moss, penny douglass furr, richard herman. renowned defense attorney out of new york.. richard herman, if this is not a criminal investigation, then why are police seizing evidence? >> it's an investigation, nancy. but instead of a homicide, it should be a suicide investigation because after the memorial, scores of people were interviewed to say how brilliant michael jackson was. scores of people were interviewed saying they knew about his drug use and they told him to stop, stop, stop and he kept doing it and he died. he was a junkie who died. it happens every day in the united states. >> to dr. bill halibeck, toxicologist. he's an emergency medicine physician. thank you for being with us. doctor, in contrast to what attorney richard herman has just blurted out, i doubt very seriously that michael jackson is responsible for putting fresh track marks on his neck. that would be virtually impossible to do, to shoot yourself up in the neck. >> yeah. you know, shooting yourself in the neck, people who are drug abusers, they try to find any type of vein they can. when they