they have their own app called douyin, which is their version of tiktok. >> what can you tell me about what tiktok is doing to support creators? we just spoke to jerry chang. there, and i mean, she is clearly going through it saying that she's going to be having to cancel holidays because she's not sure what her income stream is going to be like. now that tiktok is in this very weird space, surely tiktok, in supporting its creator economy, should be doing more, or at least telling them the app was going to go down in the first place? >> yeah, it's very difficult because tiktok has really been talking about the impact on creators, right? so when we found out about this ban really potentially going into effect, they highlighted the fact that small businesses and creators were at risk of losing $1 billion in revenue. that's billion with a b, right. so, you know, that was such a focal point for them. and so now i think it's up to them to say, okay, well, you know, if you really care about those creators, how are you going to prove it? i think you bring up a really good point there. but yea