and the second thing is the question the dowlers put to us, and that is how can we defend a privacy of family that at a time when they're at their most vulnerable have their privacy invaded in the press in a way that splits the family apart and makes everybody in that family suspicious of each other and particularly so since it's been dope by unlawful means which include telephone tapping? now, you can teal with the legal issues -- deal with the legal issues by enforcing the law. i don't think the complaint system has worked properly, so i don't think the dowlers could have expected to get redress from a complaint system. and this is where i suppose i part company with some of the statements made to the inquiry, it's not just about how you discipline and sanction where mistakes are made that are injurious to family life. i think we've got to have some means by which we incentivize the good as well. in other words, if the standard of journalism declines, and i think there is an issue in the internet age about the decline of standards, we must have a means by which we incentivize the goo

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you, the trigger is the events of the fourth of july last year in particular, relations to milly dowler, and not for example, "the guardian" article of july 2009 or "the new york times" piece by the first of september 2010? >> no, the million dollar thing transform everything because dashing the milly dowler transform everything. the public i think quite rightly are different to the plight of politicians and celebrities. i think they quite rightly look after themselves as they can but i think it's a whole different manner when they see a family in the moment of unimaginable anguish and distress. being intruded upon in most grotesque fashion. and it made people very angry. i cannot believe that that level of intrusion that level of almost amoral behavior to the most helpless, innocent people i do not believe that would have a reason, other than in the context of a newsroom practices which were just totally out of control. and where people clearly felt they could operate by one set of rules while everybody else had to abate another set of law. and the culture of impunity, sort of one will

it's milly dowler. it's her family. it's chris gentry. it's paul man who was dragged to the press, accused of being a murderer in fact when it was entirely thought. that's what really -- white rightly it is outrageous that innocent people didn't have to be before in the public eye at all are destroyed like the. and that's what's at stake. a once in a generation to sort that a picture but i think it could be done as if this inquiry could come forth quite precise proposals to do with many of these issues we are not discussing. and i certainly favor active role, assuming they are strong and well thought through to adopt a on a cross party basis. i was very pleased to do that ed miliband and labour party said the same thing. this cannot be the subject of endless political -- if i may suggest i would suggest the less real -- in your recommendations for politicians to make endless mischief about this and hold it up i'd having a list of its maybe further inquiries, the better. because we have been your sometimes no, it's called the last chance l

is that you can deal with this issue about what i think is, was a terrible injustice done to the dowler family, innocent people who have their rights trampled over, and we need to have a complaint system that deals with that and proper penalties and finds for doapg this. but we -- doing this. we also need to look at not just discouraging the bad, but encouraging encouraging the good. it's making a judgment that you will need trained journalists and the media, like the internet, to be able to sport that in the future. >> one needn't just look at the journalism of the national newspapers. you commented and, indeed, t been the subject -- it's been the summit of evidence that local journalism is very much suffering from the lack of advertising -- >> absolutely. -- >> and the consequence is that local issues, therefore, respect reported as once they were, and as more newspapers find it difficult to survive, the loss of local information will be a very serious blow to the development of local politics, the development of holding local health boards, local councils to account -- >> absolutely.

remember back almost a year ago last summer, the moment this broke through, of course, was the millie dowler she was kidnapped and later found to have been murdered and they had been hacking into her phone. that was the thing that broke it out, it was a media fixation, into something where the british people really felt like they had been completely had by the entire elite. it wasn't just anger at the media. it was everyone had been in this sort of together. i think that there is a sense, people aren't paying attention in the uk to every single small development. it's been a long time this thing has been going on. there's a certain fatigue to it. i do think there's a general mistrust and the economy doesn't help. it's sort of this general feeling like they have been had by their elite. >> richard, our resident brit, although we know you carry an american passport and we're very happy about that. >> not in florida. >> the fact that david cameron, gordon brown, john major, these are the country's leaders. the weakness, i'm using that word, the idea that they would have been in any way beholden

this moment we are probably three or four days after the initial hacking revelations about milly dowler. me speaking now, the game having dramatically changed in my view. i felt it was important to start to give some interpretations to where this was all going to go. i thought it was important to put a marker down. that every dogen and, -- dot and comma of the proposal is necessarily right, but i do think the broad picture is similar to where i would be at the moment. >> thank you. there was a longer interview with mr. andrew marr. there is one point i would like to deal with. at the bottom of 06609, mr. marr's question suggested that he may have been warned off the line you're taking by colleagues within the labour party. i wasn't quite sure what your answer was to that's question. were you warned privately this was something you should not be doing? >> no, that is that really my recollection. certainly, is the case that what i did was controversial. as it happened, i gave the interview and then i went to the shadow cabinet. it was pretty clear, i would say there's almost universal sup

i was in afghanistan with the story about milly dowler's phone being hacked to broke. but what i said then and what i said when i returned was tried to say we have to follow these procedures that are set out. if i was running this company, i would not be considering a corporate move. i would be cleaning up the mess that there is. i thought that was consistent with there being a quasi-- judicial process. you should not try and befetter that. >> mr. hunt was still acting quasi--judicially. everybody was trying to move to a position where the wheels would fall off the bid for political reasons. is that not fair? >> i think there are e-mails that showed this. i think everyone was asking the question what are the options that exist that are consistent with maintaining the proper procedures and legal processes? i think that it's perfectly reasonable question to ask. >> ok. may i move off bskyb to the fourth section of your evidence. this is the area of any lessons to be learned for politicians. first of all, would you agree with mr. milleiband's view that the event last year

stop-and-go on the inner loop from dowler road -- from belair road.ver to you, tony. >> we are off to a quiet start. in little rain passing south of us. unlike yesterday, when we had a breeze, making it feel cooler, the winds are calm. 54 in rising sun. warmer near the water. 30% chance of rain shower. getting warmerg >>> we're back now at 7:30 on a wednesday morning. the 6th day of june, 2012 with some good news for miley cyrus. according to "people" magazine, the 19-year-old actress just got engaged to her longtime boyfriend and fellow actor liam helms worth. and given her age the question some people might be asking are how are miley's parents reacting? we'll have the exclusive details right ahead. >> i think they should go with that version -- >> in the meantime, inside studio 1a i'm ann curry alongside lester holt who is joining us because matt's still recovering, i think, from the big jubilee. >> yeah, it was quite a party. also ahead the guys behind the music sharing site napster are out with a new social video network that they hope will becom

events of the fourth of july last year, in particular, the revelations to nearly double -- millie dowler>> no, he transformed everything because it is inflamed by public anger. the public indifference to the plight of politicians and celebrities, i think there is a whole different matter when they see a family in a moment of unimaginable anguish and distress. and being intruded upon in the most grotesque fashion. and it made me very angry. as i said earlier, this is all linked. i cannot believe that that level of intrusion, that level of almost immoral behavior towards helpless, innocent people, i do not believe that would have arisen in the context of newsroom practices, which would be totally out of control, and where people clearly felt they could operate by one set of rules, while everyone else had to obey another set of laws. that culture of impunity, one rule for us and another for everyone else, it is arrogant as we know, almost certainly, it is also, i think, an expression of a culture in which, perhaps because of, the intimacy between the press and politicians and press and the

all-cataclysmic event which was the revelations, the appalling revelations about what happened to milly dowler'sly before the whole thing really got opened up in the way that it should have done. >> do you see this, this saga as an illustration perhaps a microcome of the issue we discussed earlier on today namely overcloseness between politicians and the press? >> well, it's difficult that, because to be fair to parliament, it did hold an investigation. the select committee looked at this. um, but for whatever reason neither the select committee nor the police, nor the press complaints commission got to the bottom of it. and i think, you know, all of those organizations have to ask well, why not? >> probably right to say the ball started to roll rather faster when the police and the cps decided that they would as it were reopen the entire case until the operation started. >> yes. >> that got the ball going which overcame the initial momentum. >> yes. >> of course, the revelations of july created the mushroom that it has become i agree. but it's probably fair to say to the police that, actually t

is that you can deal with this issue about what i think is, was a terrible injustice done to the dowler family, innocent people who have their rights trampled over, and we need to have a complaint system that deals with that and proper penalties and finds for doapg this. but we -- doing this. we also need to look at not just discouraging the bad, but encouraging encouraging the good. it's making a judgment that you will need trained journalists and the media, like the internet, to be able to sport that in the future. >> one needn't just look at the journalism of the national newspapers. you commented and, indeed, t been the subject -- it's been the summit of evidence that local journalism is very much suffering from the lack of advertising -- >> absolutely. -- >> and the consequence is that local issues, therefore, respect reported as once they were, and as more newspapers find it difficult to survive, the loss of local information will be a very serious blow to the development of local politics, the development of holding local health boards, local councils to account -- >> absolutely.

it's milly dowler. it's her family. it's chris gentry.ians to make endless mischief about this and hold it up i'd having a list of its maybe further inquiries, the better. because we have been your sometimes no, it's called the last chance land in the past been here countless times before, and opportunity sorted out. i personally think that we must and can and will do in a way which actually celebrates and protects rather than denigrates or undermines the freedom of the press. it can be done. >> your messages set out in paragraph 86 have already summarized the need for entirely new body independent, et cetera. is there in your assessment a lurking consensus that concern you, you use on an all party basis i suppose, so this sort of solution? >> well, i can't speak for further other parties. what i've heard is actually has made me quite optimistic actually that there is a wide there's a body of opinion across all parties that we can't that it's bad for politics, but for power, bad for democracy combat for the press. it's offensive and distr