donald trump has turned our politics upside-downo many times we don't know which way is up.at again in all of this. and the argument that the trump people are making on this, similar to bill clinton -- ultimately was successful real for bill clinton -- where the united states senate said, you're right. presidents have private lives, and maybe we shouldn't deal with all of the paperwork and nastiness, the process around that. geoff: you are both highly regarded political strategists. i'm hesitant to ask you to give us free political advice. i'm going to do it anyway. if you were advising one of these republican contenders to donald trump, how would you advise them to handle this, especially when you have this case, running parallel, it seems, with the 2024 presidential race? whit: geoff, there's no possible way to break through the cacophony. the best that a contender can do right now is look, sound and act like a potential president and wait for some of these other investigations to play out, investigations with far more serious charge than we saw in manhattan, and with much