dr. brzezinski, you tell me the story -- finish this story about iran. he was the only one that saw it coming. >> michael is exactly right. it was a pretty glamorous weekend, i want to say. michael and i were down in athens, georgia, we were watching c-span in the hilton. it was pretty glamorous, pretty exciting. so i was on a stage with dr. brzezinski, madeline ail bring it -- albright, and it was about the middle east policy. at some moment, iran was in the news and admiral turner said we didn't know enough about islam and the region to really understand the hostage crisis. president carter raises his hand and he says, jon, may i come up? i said, they're all your helicopters, sir, sure, you're the president. he comes up and he says, i understood everything about iran. that's just not -- that's just not the case. the other thing about this, this is when he wrote the book with apartheid in the title, about palestine. the first question i asked, of the panelists, have you read president carter's book, what do you think? they all said, no, we haven't read