dr hartman sees me does an e.k.g. duplicative not hugely expensive but you multiply that by millions of times a year fee for service and it adds up he's going to and he's going to unquestionably do a stress test much more now than in the past twenty years because now they do stress tests at doctors' offices in the cardiologist's office fee for service and they have a cardiology office visit so the cardiologist is paid for reading the k.g. being the stress test and the cardiologist office visit. she dr hartmann let's say decide this is probably reflux and so then decides to do what. everybody in my audience everybody that i ever talked with has sent him to a g.i. doc but let's say this let's just say doctors are all right it's over in docility or stomach acid right but let's say dr hartman sensible and sends me back to primary care doc dr tom three weeks later i'm back with dr tom and you maybe have gotten a note from dr hartman maybe not that says thank you for saying peter beyond saying he doesn't have heart problems

hartman in washington d.c. coming up in this half hour we'll revisit a conversation with great minds i had back in september with dr david graber in that interview dr graber gives the long story on debt not just in america but around the world a few weeks after this interview aired dr graber went on to be one of the early organizers of the occupy wall street movement so tonight we take another look at what he had to say just before all that began. for tonight's conversations with great minds i'm joined by dr david graber graber teaches anthropology at goldsmiths university of london and has written a half dozen books that examined issues of culture politics economics and history and as a regular contributor to some of the country's leading magazines including harper's the nation and the new left review in two thousand and six he delivered the melon kosky memorial lecture at the london school of economics an annual talk that honors outstanding anthropologists who have fundamentally shaped the study of culture and this past spring he was honored by the anthropology department at u.c. berkeley his latest book debt the